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Post by manchesterman on Feb 28, 2024 23:25:11 GMT
Workers Party 26 Labour (disowned) 22 Conservative 17 Reform UK 15 Liberal Democrats 10 Green (disowned) 3 Independent (Coleman) 2 Independent (W. Howarth) 1.5 OMRLP 1.5 Independent (M. Howarth) 1 Independent (Tully) 1
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 28, 2024 23:08:16 GMT
Minster & Woodmansley: LD 43; Lab 26; Con 24; Green 7
Tranby: LD 54; Lab 20; Con 17; Green 9
Central & Northgate: Lab 51; Con 35; LD 14
Henfield: Green 40; Con 30; Lab 20; LD 10
Southwater North: LD 48; Con 32; Lab 11; Green 9
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 28, 2024 18:26:25 GMT
Maybe the term "wasted vote" is a bit of a misnomer.
I prefer to think of it as the existence of 2 tiers of voters. All those in marginal or even vaguely-marginal constituencies are 1st Tier voters. They will be doorstepped by candidates, asked what their grievances are, offered "reasons" to vote for said candidate, and generally treated as if you're important to them [even if they're lying through their teeth in some cases]
Then there are 2nd Tier voters. Those in the super-safe seats. No one will ever visit the homes of these voters (other than for perfunctory publicity shots for local paper etc); their opinions will not be canvassed and whether you were voting for the massively-winning candidate or not, no one cares as it simply dosent matter!
I've spent most of my adult life as a 2nd Tier voter, but am imminently moving to a Tier 1 competitive seat [and I'm very excited about it!]
The point is that under some form of proportional system everyone becomes a Tier 1 voter...it's literally "levelling up" in action! So maybe that's a better description of the benefits of PR than "wasted votes".
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 27, 2024 23:26:42 GMT
Got to hand it to Trump. He gets 100% on this test!
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 26, 2024 23:07:40 GMT
well its certainly conceivable that that could be beaten in a blanket finish..
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 26, 2024 21:33:10 GMT
do you know, offhand, what the current record is johnloony ?
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 26, 2024 0:23:19 GMT
Baby steps John,baby steps
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 25, 2024 23:31:19 GMT
I dont think even the most fervent Haley supporter actually thinks that she's going to win the delegate count. Her reason for staying in the race is effectively to project herself as the "not Trump" candidate, should events beyond the actual adding up the delegate votes occur in the next couple of months or so - I think you all to what I'm referring - which make Trump's position untenable (which is very unlikely but a slight possibility).
Furthermore it raises her profile as the non-Trump candidate for 2028 if/when the GOP regains its senses.
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 24, 2024 17:34:28 GMT
One for the historians on here, but I'm just wondering if 30p is the first person to be suspended by both the Labour party and the Conservative party! Quite a track record he has. Clearly a fine example of an upstanding, honourable Brit!
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 23, 2024 18:39:30 GMT
It's an extraordinary journey she's been on hasnt it!
From pro-remain LibDem to colluding with Farage, Bannon, QAnon nutjobs, including that guy who said that 'a woman in shorts is incitement to rape her and therefore shouldnt be a crime', and that other guy who said "they didnt gt the job done on Jan 6th and next time they will, and that will be the end of democracy!"
Psychologists would have enough material for a Masters thesis!
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 23, 2024 18:25:13 GMT
Yes, "gorgeous" is quite litiguous isnt he
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 23, 2024 0:04:03 GMT
Calne Chilvester and Abberd by-election for Wiltshire Unitary Authority: MacNaughton Robert LD 424 Clark Con 283 Maslen Lab 172 Pilcher-Clayton 58 LD gain from Con LD 45.3% Con 30.2% Lab 18.4% Grn 6.2%
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 22, 2024 17:46:31 GMT
You wait years for a Blackpool by-election tram, then all of a sudden two come along at once
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 22, 2024 13:05:03 GMT
Sounds like "his kinda guy then" [also would help push back on "he's a racist" claims]
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 22, 2024 12:34:48 GMT
I must confess I'm not familiar with Byron Donalds. What's his USP?
All other things being equal, I could see how all the posters and livery saying "TRUMP - DONALDS" would be something that would tickle Trump's massive ego!
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 22, 2024 1:23:09 GMT
Bucks Farnham Common: LD 49 Con 39 Lab 12 Bucks Hazlemere: Ind 33 Con 33 LD 27 Lab 7 (Ind win) Derbyshire Dales Bakewell: Lab 35 Con 30 Grn 13 LD 12 Ind 5 Ref 5 Derbyshire Dales Norbury: Con 46 LD 23 Lab 20 Grn 11 Folkestone: Lab 30 Con 21 Meyers 20 Grn 11 LD 5 Ref 5 Evans 4 Peacock 2 Young 2 Milton Keynes: Lab 44 Con 34 LD 12 Ind 5 Grn 5 Borders: Con 49 SNP 24 Lab 9 LD 9 Grn 8 SEF 1 Wilts: LD 46 Con 34 Lab 11 Grn 9
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 21, 2024 21:39:54 GMT
Chorley not
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 19, 2024 16:14:19 GMT
The whole thing's now becoming so ridiculous - with candidates falling over themselves to make themselves unelectable - that it's now not entirely inconceivable that this could end up the most unlikely Tory gain in the history of modern elections!
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 16, 2024 15:39:31 GMT
I remember being told at school, very sternly, that " you should never start a sentence with And". I never understood why, and happily disregarded said instruction at the time and ever since Well, that's William Blake told!!
#Jerusalem
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 16, 2024 15:31:01 GMT
40 seats for the SNP?? Strangely enough there was no manifestation of a decline in SNP support in this by-election.. Also can factor in that, presumably based on the massive drop in Tory vote and the poor showing for the LDs, this projection would mean the SNP "won" the 6 Tory seats and Caithness et al & Fife NE from the LDs, so that gives a bit of nuance to the idea that they retained as many as 40 seats because they didnt lose many to Labour, as they're 8 seats "in credit" effectively, before we start looking at SNP-Lab marginals.
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