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Post by carlton43 on May 9, 2017 11:52:00 GMT
Right!! Well, No, Centre-ish-muddled-bit Left-ish-Sort-of-perhaps? Type of thing-ish? Fuck! I won!!! What do I do now? Top of the big Helter-Skelter. Top of the World............Ma!!! Now form your Assembly Mat and off we go! Down..........And Down............................And Down. Let's do the Hollandaise.......................Mark2. Let's Fuck Up the rest of France............Like we did last session. and now some dance music........ Hmmmmmm! In usical terms where is Macron? One of Les Six perhaps? |
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Post by mrpastelito on May 9, 2017 11:54:05 GMT
Would that be Seine-Saint-Denis? If so, it does put a minaret on it. Top right, 93, 94, 95. No. The predominantly Muslim Mayotte (which Fillon won...). Well at least there's a disclaimer at the bottom. But I suppose you'd have preferred a minaret based on dodgy figures instead  |
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Post by Khunanup on May 9, 2017 12:26:54 GMT
No. The predominantly Muslim Mayotte (which Fillon won...). Well at least there's a disclaimer at the bottom. But I suppose you'd have preferred a minaret based on dodgy figures instead Not at all, you just put whatever is relevant that doesn't discredit the point you're making. Campaigning 101 Regardless of the above it's a pretty safe bet the (with the possible exception of French Guiana) that only Mayotte would 'have' a minaret on it at all so, knowing that Mayotte would have a big minaret self evidently, you could have got away with it and nobody would be none the wiser. Incidently the pattern in the UK is somewhat different with areas with large Muslim populations having poor UKIP votes (with the exception of smaller places like Burnley and Nelson/Colne where the communities are very separated as they are pretty much everywhere in France). |
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Post by finsobruce on May 9, 2017 13:03:21 GMT
and now some dance music........ Hmmmmmm! In musical terms where is Maron? One of Les Six perhaps? Honegger? One of classical music's great train enthusiasts. (i've not selected pacific 123 here though) |
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Post by Jack on May 9, 2017 13:54:37 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win.
Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:00:31 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? Le Pen isn't a "socialist". She wanted to increase welfare for the lower middle class and pensioners, and implement a bit more protectionism, that's all. The narrative that FN is left wing is ridiculous. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 9, 2017 14:04:15 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? She isn't a socialist, she's a nationalist/populist. yes. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 9, 2017 14:07:18 GMT
Hmmmmmm! In musical terms where is Maron? One of Les Six perhaps? Honegger? One of classical music's great train enthusiasts. (i've not selected pacific 123 here though) Too good for Macron who I see more as a Milhaud. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2017 14:15:52 GMT
Well at least there's a disclaimer at the bottom. But I suppose you'd have preferred a minaret based on dodgy figures instead Not at all, you just put whatever is relevant that doesn't discredit the point you're making. Campaigning 101 Regardless of the above it's a pretty safe bet the (with the possible exception of French Guiana) that only Mayotte would 'have' a minaret on it at all so, knowing that Mayotte would have a big minaret self evidently, you could have got away with it and nobody would be none the wiser. Incidently the pattern in the UK is somewhat different with areas with large Muslim populations having poor UKIP votes (with the exception of smaller places like Burnley and Nelson/Colne where the communities are very separated as they are pretty much everywhere in France). False comparison. UKIP is not the FN and has never been primarily associated with an anti-muslim agenda - UKIP voters mostly voted on the EU, though of course broader immigration issues played a part (but for a lot of them in places like Boston the primary concern was immigration from Eastern Europe). A better comparison would be with where the BNP used to do well and most of the areas they won seats were areas with large Muslim populations such as Kirklees, Bradford, Burnley, parts of the Black Country and edge of conurbation 'white flight' areas (Chelmsley Wood, Harold Hill, Dagenham etc) |
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Post by finsobruce on May 9, 2017 14:16:58 GMT
Honegger? One of classical music's great train enthusiasts. (i've not selected pacific 123 here though) Too good for Macron who I see more as a Milhaud. Of course unlike Honegger, Milhaud is heard on Radio 3 every day as the short piece of music heard at the beginning of "Through The Night" is from his work "La Cheminee du Roi Rene" |
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Post by yellowperil on May 9, 2017 14:17:51 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? S he isn't a socialist, she's a nationalist/populist. yes. or possibly a national socialist |
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Post by carlton43 on May 9, 2017 15:14:25 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? I am one such. I wanted her to win. I do think of her as a socialist even though it annoys the left. The important thing for me in politics is always British national interest. I am not having a virtual vote as a virtual Froggie. I am voting as a Brit who hates the EU and does not want France to do well. Marine would upset all the sorts of people I dearly want to upset. It would have largely removed the threat of France plotting and planning against us over Brexit as they reacted to her own proposals for France in the EU. We need dissension in the EU and lack of solidarity and internal problems very much indeed. France is a natural enemy and anything that buggers them about in politics is to be highly desired. I am far from a free-marketer. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2017 15:27:09 GMT
Spot on - almost word for word One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? I am one such. I wanted her to win. I do not think of her as a socialist but enjoy her being called one because it annoys the left. The important thing for me in politics is always British national interest. I am not having a virtual vote as a virtual Froggie. I am voting as a Brit who hates the EU Marine would upset all the sorts of people I dearly want to upset. It would have largely removed the threat of France plotting and planning against us over Brexit as they reacted to her own proposals for France in the EU. We need dissension in the EU and lack of solidarity and internal problems very much indeed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 15:42:11 GMT
One thing I've found puzzling with this election is why Tory free-marketeers in the UK wanted Le Pen (basically a socialist) to win. Is opposition to the EU clouding people's judgement? I am one such. I wanted her to win. I do think of her as a socialist even though it annoys the left. Why? Her economic policies are fairly typically Gaullist with an extra dash of populism. She is well within the French conservative tradition on socio-economic matters (and nearly everything else, despite the hype about "fascism"). |
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Post by maxque on May 9, 2017 17:44:36 GMT
In FN news, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen retires from politics and will resign all her political offices tomorrow.
Jean-Marie Le Pen calls that desertion.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2017 17:52:45 GMT
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Post by maxque on May 9, 2017 18:05:46 GMT
In short, it seems than she is tired of fighting with Marine over the political line of the party, but, mainly, she was pushed in politics by her grandfather, but doesn't like being a politician. She wants to spend more time with her daughter and get a job in the private sector, instead. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 9, 2017 18:15:46 GMT
Le Pen isn't a "socialist". She wanted to increase welfare for the lower middle class and pensioners, and implement a bit more protectionism, that's all. The narrative that FN is left wing is ridiculous. Correct. Protectionism isn't socialism and it isn't left wing. It is, and always has been, a right wing type of policy. Economic liberalism came from the left. Its only in recent decades when the main opponents of economic liberalism have been socialists to its left that people have confused the two. Not so. Economic liberalism comes from...surprise, surprise, liberals. Who are not of the left, as the adoption of economic liberalism by those who place themselves on the Right confirms. In fact both the right and the left have backed protectionism in certain circumstances. But economic liberalism has had its influence on both Tory and Labour parties too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 18:32:10 GMT
Correct. Protectionism isn't socialism and it isn't left wing. It is, and always has been, a right wing type of policy. Economic liberalism came from the left. Its only in recent decades when the main opponents of economic liberalism have been socialists to its left that people have confused the two. Not so. Economic liberalism comes from...surprise, surprise, liberals. Who are not of the left, as the adoption of economic liberalism by those who place themselves on the Right confirms. In fact both the right and the left have backed protectionism in certain circumstances. But economic liberalism has had its influence on both Tory and Labour parties too. Indeed, protectionism is a traditional 19th century Conservative position (Liberals were the free traders), and fx. the military dictatorship of South Korea and the KMT regime in Taiwan were protectionist when building up their economies. A genuine Conservative is pragmatic on trade, whatever is thought to benefit the national interest is preferable. Socialists and Social Democrats are also traditionally pragmatic on trade, so both the left and the right occasionally implement protectionist policies, whereas Liberals have an ideological commitment to free trade. |
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