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Post by finsobruce on May 7, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
The first British serviceman killed in World War Two was Pilot Officer John Noel Isaac, who died less than an hour and a half after Neville Chamberlain's speech. Quite right. I should have said the first British servicemen killed by enemy action in World War Two. They were two of seventeen RAF personnel killed in the same raid, the first offensive RAF action of the war. It would have been the day before but fog postponed matters for a day. P.S One of the ships attacked in this raid was the Emden. One of the RAF planes crashed onto the deck of the Emden - piloted by Flying Officer H L Emden. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 7, 2017 23:56:23 GMT
85% in Hauts-de-Seine wherever that is! how low can she go! probably 10% in paris? Mostly affluent western suburbs of Paris with a few grotty areas at either end Mostly now only suburbs in an Australian sense of the term (i.e. La Défense is actually in Hauts-de-Seine). Boundaries of Paris now reflect history rather than any meaningful inner/outer (or even inner/middle) split. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 0:12:52 GMT
Final result Macron 66.06 Le Pen 33.94. It has been observed that this is something of a polling fail as the last polls had Macron closer to 61-62, but of course such fails get less attention when they have picked the right winner. (And perhaps they should hold credit for the excellent first round polls)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 0:34:04 GMT
Final result Macron 66.06 Le Pen 33.94. It has been observed that this is something of a polling fail as the last polls had Macron closer to 61-62, but of course such fails get less attention when they have picked the right winner. (And perhaps they should hold credit for the excellent first round polls) A lot of voters likely decided to vote Macron in the last minute (the safe choice), so the polls may not have been that far off. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 8, 2017 1:07:46 GMT
Take them back 80 years and Leave.EU types would be BUF sympathisers... You don't really need to take them back 80 years to be fair. |
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Post by curiousliberal on May 8, 2017 1:20:08 GMT
Take them back 80 years and Leave.EU types would be BUF sympathisers... You don't really need to take them back 80 years to be fair. I'd expect they'd appreciate it, though. |
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Post by cogload on May 8, 2017 6:01:04 GMT
1st Macron
2nd Abstentions, blank ballots and sang froid
3rd Le Pen.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 8, 2017 6:19:22 GMT
1st Macron 2nd Abstentions, blank ballots and sang froid 3rd Le Pen. Have the Lib Dems ever beaten abstentions in a national election? Stupid metric. Le Pen came 2nd, whether you or I like it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 8, 2017 7:37:56 GMT
And yes, this is definitely not in our national interest given Macron will team up with Merkel to push for an unfavourable deal. That's just too damn bad.  At the risk of going off topic this is complete nonsense. Merkel will not push for an unfavourable deal because that would not be in Germany's interests and she is above all else a pragmatist. I suspect that Macron will go the same way once in office. The problem we face is not that other EU leaders are particular hostile to us, but that our Prime Minister is so utterly clueless that she will miss the opportunities open to her and end up with a bad deal, or perhaps no deal, through her own pig headed stupidity. Yes, I can't imagine Germany fancies making it more expensive for one of its major trading partners to import its high-end exports. |
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Post by Tony Otim on May 8, 2017 7:59:26 GMT
The president if France is more than 2 years younger than me. I am now officially old 😕
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Post by Tony Otim on May 8, 2017 7:59:56 GMT
But more seriously, phew....
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 8, 2017 8:55:49 GMT
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Post by mboy on May 8, 2017 8:58:07 GMT
35% is an exceptionally poor result for Le Pen when compared to expectations. It will likely weaken her position within the FN quite a bit. Shush, Richard the official Received Wisdom Line is that FN can't be ignored, highest ever vote for a far right candidate etc etc. The fact that she has had the floor wiped with her, and that Fillon's attempt to mimic her also failed, that she was in fact beaten neither by someone tacking to the right nor playing the populist left card, but by a centrist whose main plank was that, whatever his faults, maybe he has some grip on the real world, is not to be mentioned. Well, sure, but it's a very foolish moderate politician who looks at this result and sits back, thinking "Far-right lost. Everything's sorted". Ignoring what has led to the far right being the runner-up in Austria, France, Netherlands would be the same degree of mistake as we all made in the UK when ukip won the Euro elections in 2014...which ultimately led to the Brexit vote. I like to imagine that macron's win will trigger a centrist revival, maybe even in time for June 8th to help us, but somehow I doubt it. We should also remember that the reason Macron won is: a) the left had self-destructed by being shit in government b) the right had been crippled by a brilliantly used finance scandal c) his opponent was a proto-fascist who united everyone against her It's entirely possible that of the same circumstances had existed in the UK when Cleggmania kicked off, we might have won a landslide victory in 2010! But such is life... The underlying problems in France continue, and actually i don't believe Macron is willing to do the things necessary to fix them. The FN is not going away, and may will end up with a record ~40 MPs next month, which would represent a breakthrough for them. Hardly a crushing defeat, is it? PS Le Pen got 2% lower vote share than Blair got in 2005, and much higher than we've ever got. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 8, 2017 9:39:23 GMT
Good job, France. The UK remains the village idiot for the time being. And yes, this is definitely not in our national interest given Macron will team up with Merkel to push for an unfavourable deal. That's just too damn bad. If you ask AdminSTB he'll give you your Lib Dem colours Yet another Quisling coming out of the woodwork and seeking self harm to punish us for voting wrongly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 9:44:14 GMT
PS Le Pen got 2% lower vote share than Blair got in 2005, and much higher than we've ever got. Oh come on, 35% in a straight two horse race is not remotely comparable with vote shares in an open election... |
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Post by The Bishop on May 8, 2017 9:54:10 GMT
Be fair now, it was 34%.
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Post by Tony Otim on May 8, 2017 10:03:14 GMT
PS Le Pen got 2% lower vote share than Blair got in 2005, and much higher than we've ever got. Oh come on, 35% in a straight two horse race is not remotely comparable with vote shares in an open election... Yes. A better comparison would be with the 21% she got in the first round in an open field. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 10:21:09 GMT
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Post by iain on May 8, 2017 10:22:22 GMT
'Walking back to the train, I reflect how strange it is that I should run into a series of broad French stereotypes who confirmed my pre-existing views' |
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Post by Merseymike on May 8, 2017 10:48:32 GMT
Seine-Saint-Denis, which went to MÉLENCHON in the 1st round went 78.81% for Macron today. What was the turnout, though? |
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