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Post by neilm on Aug 6, 2015 13:21:33 GMT
Yes, I have friends in Ontario (for today, I am Owen Jones) who frequently moan about. They were in Ottawa so were able to go to Quebec (which has some odd restrictions too) but now live in Toronto so can't really go elsewhere. It's the beer monopoly they dislike more than liquor control.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 6, 2015 15:04:11 GMT
The history of sectarianism still plays a role in provincial voting patterns in places: rural Franco Ontarians who are now quite happy to vote for federal Tories stubbornly refuse to swing over to the Ontario PCs for much that reason: the Big Blue Machine might have collapsed thirty years ago now, but memories of the de facto discrimination that lasted until then have not.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 6, 2015 15:47:56 GMT
Anyway, an important thing to understand about federal Canadian politics is that it is fundamentally regional in character, even if national electoral movement does happen. In this respect Canada is more like India than the UK (even given the existence of Scotland and Northern Ireland) or even Australia (where the regional aspect is more a case of the amplification - or not - of national swings). Majority governments - particularly Liberal ones - are often formed by casting region against region ("screw the West, we'll take the rest"), and even when that's not so they tend to require dominance over at least one region of the country. The Harper majority comes from dominance in the Western provinces, near dominance in Ontario and a decent showing in the Maritimes (except for Newfies). If we believe the polls - is this a good idea in Canada? Perhaps not - is currently endangered because of sharp drops in support in the West and an outright collapse in the Maritimes.
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 7, 2015 1:52:04 GMT
I noticed on the 308 website that the one place where the Conservative vote is slightly up in the polls compared to the last election is Quebec which makes me wonder whether a seat like Lac-Saint-Louis might be a possible gain for the party. The notional result for 2011 is: Lib 34.10% NDP 30.06% Con 28.44% Green 4.27% BQ 3.12% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Saint-Louis_(electoral_district) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 7, 2015 7:55:47 GMT
I wonder if the 308 website plans to change its name
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 7, 2015 13:13:31 GMT
I wonder if the 308 website plans to change its name No, Eric Grenier addressed that recently and pointed out that apart from anything the replacement web addresses are already taken! Especially as he's now doing the work with CBC he has his website's identity to consider as well. A bit like 20th Century Fox. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 9, 2015 16:02:34 GMT
Met some Albertans on holiday in Germany. They were NDP supporters and thought that this would be the year they broke through at federal level - apparently they have benefitted from people moving in from elsewhere and there has been a history of left of centre voters feeling they were always going to be behind a variety of Conservative even in the cities so the campaigns at federal level being muted. The local victory has changed that.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 11, 2015 19:18:42 GMT
Thanks for that Andrew_S although I had got the same numbers I had managed to mess up who had won what! |
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Post by maxque on Aug 12, 2015 0:30:25 GMT
Does anyone know much about this Strength in Democracy gang? I've found very little but the Beeb seem to think they will be a spoiler for someone. Founded by a Bloc MP who just lost a leadership race and a NDP MP which was widely rumoured to not be reselected. Will be totally crushed outside their own constituencies. They were launched as a Quebec Independence party, but decided to back strong autonomy for all provinces and to run candidates outside Quebec. The former NDP MP decided to not run in his Montreal suburban seat (Repentigny), but to rather run in the Montreal Island riding (La-Pointe-de-l'Île) where the former BQ leader (the one who stepped down to allow Duceppe to come back) is running. It's very illogical. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 12, 2015 16:26:03 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 18, 2015 17:17:11 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 18, 2015 21:02:56 GMT
There is currently a bidding process in the National Hockey League for expansion. The only two bids yet received have been, and those are from Las Vegas and Quebec City, the latter trying to bring back the Quebec Nordiques after nearly twenty years. Quebec's bid is being driven by Quebecor, an enormous conglomerate who currently own the naming rights to Quebec City's new arena.
The reason I mention this is that the chairman of Quebecor is none other than Pierre-Karl Peladeau, leader of the PQ. Whilst the PQ and BQ are different parties, don't underestimate the cross-appeal, and don't underestimate the importance of ice hockey in Quebec's general and political cultures.
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 22, 2015 0:06:59 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 22, 2015 8:19:20 GMT
A curious development for a party that once demanded prohibition of booze and drugs quite militantly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 20:25:20 GMT
Poll added.
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maxque
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Post by maxque on Aug 22, 2015 22:17:31 GMT
A curious development for a party that once demanded prohibition of booze and drugs quite militantly. That's not a development, it's the policy of the party since at least the 90's. And more conservative than Liberals who promise to legalize it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 22, 2015 23:25:14 GMT
Of course, development doesn't mean "just happened". I think I am correct in stating that a NDP legalisation of marijuana is curious in the course of its history, given Bill Temple's past influence with regards to booze.
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Post by maxque on Aug 23, 2015 2:02:09 GMT
Of course, development doesn't mean "just happened". I think I am correct in stating that a NDP legalisation of marijuana is curious in the course of its history, given Bill Temple's past influence with regards to booze. NDP proposes bills to legalise it since 1971, apparently because banning it hurted western farmers. And, right now, they insist it's not legalisation, it's "decriminisation". |
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Post by A Brown on Aug 26, 2015 20:22:53 GMT
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 26, 2015 21:52:15 GMT
Yeah, it's looking like at the moment the strong areas for the NDP are BC (where the Tories will do horribly if the polls are to be believed), Central Edmonton, Regina and Saskatoon, bits of Ontario (mostly urban (Toronto, Windsor, Hamilton) plus the far north) and Quebec (again). Is going to be fascinating right up to the wire and like 2011, I think there's going to be some very unexpected results. |
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