Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 20, 2015 12:27:53 GMT
Guys this really isn't about us and there are no lessons to be learned: I suppose the Scottish electorate can occasionally be accused of behaving like the Canadian one, but that's about it (and even then not very often). Anyway its kind of amusing that a party running on an almost entirely content-free platform just won a landslide (as by Canadian standards this is) in an industrialised nation.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 20, 2015 12:30:50 GMT
Anyway, the single NDP seat in Winnipeg (by 51 votes) is an against the gain grain in Transcona: the NDP very sensibly ran the son of former Transcona MP Bill Blaikie (who was himself the sole NDP MP in Winnipeg in 1988 and 1993). Apparently a good family name (Nikki Ashton, who did well to hold Churchill under the circumstances, is the daughter of a locally popular hard Left MPP) vaccinates you against the consequences of being a member of the same party as a hated provincial Premier.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 20, 2015 12:34:48 GMT
Three NDP seats in Mouseland (the first since 2000) is pleasant of course: two were mostly the result of new boundaries, but they also won the large northern riding (which covers their strongest provincial seats) for the first time since 1997 despite their candidate from last time running for the Liberals (who won the seat in 2000 - with an NDP defector - and in 2006). The NDP caucus overall now has a much more Western lean than it has for a while.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 20, 2015 12:57:31 GMT
Just to show how much I have (NOT) been paying attention to the Canada election this time, I have only just discovered that Justin Trudeau is the son of Pierre Trudeau. He is so young that I had assumed that he was a grandson or nephew or whatever.
According to Wikipedia, Mr & Mrs Trudeau were married at the ages of 52 and 22 respectively; their first two sons were both born on Christmas Day (and their third son was killed by an avalanche while skiing in 1998; his body was swept into a lake and has never been found).
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 20, 2015 13:03:44 GMT
Three NDP seats in Mouseland (the first since 2000) is pleasant of course: two were mostly the result of new boundaries, but they also won the large northern riding (which covers their strongest provincial seats) for the first time since 1997 despite their candidate from last time running for the Liberals (who won the seat in 2000 - with an NDP defector - and in 2006). The NDP caucus overall now has a much more Western lean than it has for a while. If the Liberals don't manage to deal with the effects of oil on the economy, or (even worse) Justin decides that a retread of previous Trudeau oil policies is a sure-fire vote-winner, the Grit vote out West will surely leach back to the NDP and Conservatives. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 20, 2015 13:05:30 GMT
Anyway its kind of amusing that a party running on an almost entirely content-free platform just won a landslide (as by Canadian standards this is) in an industrialised nation. Not in Canada, surely! I mean, look over the border to America- Canadians would never do the Yankee thing and vote for a family name who is a talentless retread of his father. Oh. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 20, 2015 14:50:06 GMT
That is rubbish. That long ago most would not have had a vote and the votes were not by secret ballot anyway. The term was mainly used in the period after the Third Reform Act, but before 1918, when you had a large working-class electorate enfranchised by household suffrage, and the Ballot had already been brought in, but traditional methods of electoral management still existed. Bribery did not really die out until after 1918, for instance, although it became increasingly confined to a few borough constituencies with smaller, poorer electorates. That is a helpful response Tangent and I withdraw the inappropriate rubbish. I accept that 'traditional methods of electoral management' thinking hanging over. When was the secret ballot brought in? I am obviously out in my recollection. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 20, 2015 15:15:04 GMT
Updated results by province:
Newfoundland: Lib 64.5 (7 seats), NDP 21.0, Con 10.3, Greens 1.1
Nova Scotia: Lib 61.0 (11 seats), Con 17.9, NDP 16.4, Greens 3.4
Prince Edward Island: Lib 58.3 (4 seats), Con 19.3, NDP 16.0, Greens 6.0
New Brunswick: Lib 51.6 (10 seats), Con 25.3, NDP 18.3, Greens 4.6
Quebec: Lib 35.7 (40 seats), NDP 25.4 (16 seats), BQ 19.3 (10 seats), Con 16.7 (12 seats), Greens 2.3
Ontario: Lib 44.8 (80 seats), Con 35.0 (33 seats), NDP 16.6 (8 seats), Greens 2.9
Manitoba: Lib 44.6 (7 seats), Con 37.3 (5 seats), NDP 13.8 (2 seats), Greens 3.2
Saskatchewan: Con 48.5 (10 seats), NDP 25.1 (3 seats), Lib 23.9 (1 seat), Greens 2.1
Alberta: Con 59.5 (29 seats), Lib 24.6 (4 seats), NDP 11.6 (1 seat), Greens 2.5
British Columbia: Lib 35.2 (17 seats), Con 30.0 (10 seats), NDP 25.9 (14 seats), Greens 8.2 (1 seat)
Liberals won all three seats in the Territories.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 20, 2015 15:34:29 GMT
Ruth Ellen Brosseau actually increased both her vote share and her majority. Deservedly, actually.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 20, 2015 15:36:11 GMT
She had a much more active campaign this election than last.
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 20, 2015 20:43:07 GMT
She had a much more active campaign this election than last. She could hardly have had a less active campaign. |
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Oct 20, 2015 21:30:58 GMT
Also worth remembering that only a few months ago, the Liberals weren't doing that great in either polls or real elections. Something that might be noted by those over here who are already calling the outcome of the 2020 or even (God help us) 2025 GEs with utter confidence at present. Justin Bieber Trudeau, superstar, son of the 70s Canadian superstar, Winner of the Shinest Smile since Blair =/= Jeremy 'I buy me vests at the Co-op on Dalston High Road' Corbyn, and his head of press Seumas (I'm not going to fill in the quotes cos you can do it yourself) Milne. The politics of the UK and the Anglosphere countries aren't direct analogies, despite the comforting similarity between Lloyd George and Billy Hughes. |
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Post by Hash on Oct 20, 2015 22:20:47 GMT
There's no shortage of right-wing trash tabloid papers in Canada.
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Post by john07 on Oct 20, 2015 22:47:12 GMT
Trudeau ran to Mulcair's left in the same way that Clegg ran to Brown's left - i.e. in some issues but clearly not on the whole platform. But whatever the details on that, there was no surge in Canada for anti-capitalist fantasy politics, despite them being in recession. Come on admit it you made a bloody stupid statement, ever by your amazing standards, about the NDP being 'hard left'. It matches you UKIP are fascist inference. Trying to use weasel words to cover you blunder will not wash. |
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Post by mboy on Oct 20, 2015 23:00:59 GMT
Don't be silly. I didn't want to, or try to, imply that the NDP were hard left. The point I was making was that conservatives can be beaten from the moderate centre-left, and there is no need to lurch to the hard left.
But don't worry, I know you are hurting because an apologist for mass-murder had just been put in charge of your comms strategy, so I'll forgive you.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 20, 2015 23:19:21 GMT
I fear that this election sees the end of the PC tendency. Where now for the Red Tory in its true homeland?
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 20, 2015 23:50:26 GMT
Disappointing IMO that the BQ increased their number of seats to 10 despite receiving their worst share of the vote ever. It looks like the NDP vote decreased by more than theirs in a number of seats allowing them to win, mainly in seats where the Liberal vote was previously down at the 5-10% level so they weren't able to win despite big increases.
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Post by john07 on Oct 20, 2015 23:54:10 GMT
Also worth remembering that only a few months ago, the Liberals weren't doing that great in either polls or real elections. Something that might be noted by those over here who are already calling the outcome of the 2020 or even (God help us) 2025 GEs with utter confidence at present. Justin Bieber Trudeau, superstar, son of the 70s Canadian superstar, Winner of the Shinest Smile since Blair =/= Jeremy 'I buy me vests at the Co-op on Dalston High Road' Corbyn, and his head of press Seumas (I'm not going to fill in the quotes cos you can do it yourself) Milne. The politics of the UK and the Anglosphere countries aren't direct analogies, despite the comforting similarity between Lloyd George and Billy Hughes. Welcome back Stepney. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 21, 2015 1:35:12 GMT
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 21, 2015 8:23:33 GMT
I fear that this election sees the end of the PC tendency. Where now for the Red Tory in its true homeland? That ship sailed with the merger back in '03. Why do you think most of the Red Tories had quit? |
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