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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 21, 2015 13:32:48 GMT
I think I read that there will be fresh elections if a government cannot be formed within two months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 14:17:46 GMT
I think I read that there will be fresh elections if a government cannot be formed within two months. Yes, that is right. |
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Post by therealriga on Dec 21, 2015 20:10:27 GMT
& baffling from a UK perspective. Algeceiras votes PP while Medina-Sidonia is solid PSOE ..... I always think that the main difference with Britain is that in Spain the core cities tend to be conservative, whereas in Britain they are virtual no-go areas for the Tories. This is because in Spain the inner cities are usually the most affluent parts of the urban area - it's where people aspire to live. I've noticed that this time, the two 'insurgent' parties, Podemos and Ciudadanos, have done very well in towns which have experienced major population growth just outside the main cities - presumably with lots of younger voters who bought properties in the boom and are now saddled with massive mortgages and negative equity. Spot on. Cities tend more to the right and city centres especially so. The Spaniards I spoke to were mystified as to why people would want to live in suburbs and spend time commuting to work. A lot of suburban Spanish towns turn out to be somewhat dour, as people don't want to live there. The results in Rivas-Vaciamadrid back up what you say. A patch of farmland on the edge of the capital with a population of 640 in 1981, it now has over 80,000 people and Podemos and Citizens got most votes. |
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Post by therealriga on Dec 21, 2015 20:24:04 GMT
Illán de Vacas has one inhabitant, which I guess makes the selection of Mayor somewhat easier and the secrecy of the ballot somewhat questionable. There are 9 other municipalities with less than 10 people. Municipal reform is something Spain has never quite got around too, even though it's resulted in ridiculous situations on the ground. In Valencia, they rerouted the city's main river after numerous floods and split a number of municipalities in the process, cutting off communities from their municipal centres. Rather than do the logical thing and redraw the map, they've just been left that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 20:26:13 GMT
& baffling from a UK perspective. Algeceiras votes PP while Medina-Sidonia is solid PSOE ..... I always think that the main difference with Britain is that in Spain the core cities tend to be conservative, whereas in Britain they are virtual no-go areas for the Tories. This is because in Spain the inner cities are usually the most affluent parts of the urban area - it's where people aspire to live. I've noticed that this time, the two 'insurgent' parties, Podemos and Ciudadanos, have done very well in towns which have experienced major population growth just outside the main cities - presumably with lots of younger voters who bought properties in the boom and are now saddled with massive mortgages and negative equity. London is slowly going that way. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 21, 2015 22:16:09 GMT
... Municipal reform is something Spain has never quite got around too, even though it's resulted in ridiculous situations on the ground. ... Zooming in shows quite a few that appear to be drawn on the exploded Gloucestershire/Worcestershire model. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 21, 2015 23:24:18 GMT
Illán de Vacas has one inhabitant, which I guess makes the selection of Mayor somewhat easier and the secrecy of the ballot somewhat questionable. There are 9 other municipalities with less than 10 people. Municipal reform is something Spain has never quite got around too, even though it's resulted in ridiculous situations on the ground. In Valencia, they rerouted the city's main river after numerous floods and split a number of municipalities in the process, cutting off communities from their municipal centres. Rather than do the logical thing and redraw the map, they've just been left that way. Illán de Vacas result was: PP 66.67% PSOE 16.67% C's 16.67% (2011 result was PP 100%) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 21, 2015 23:29:44 GMT
We can deduce from that that the one inhabitant of Illán de Vacas is a serial electoral fraudster and a schizophrenic
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 22, 2015 1:53:09 GMT
Carboneras:
PSOE 36.68%
PP 30.22%
C's 15.32%
El Saltador comes under Huércal-Overa:
PP 42.74%
PSOE 30.18%
C's 15.36%
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Post by john07 on Dec 22, 2015 1:57:31 GMT
I always think that the main difference with Britain is that in Spain the core cities tend to be conservative, whereas in Britain they are virtual no-go areas for the Tories. This is because in Spain the inner cities are usually the most affluent parts of the urban area - it's where people aspire to live. I've noticed that this time, the two 'insurgent' parties, Podemos and Ciudadanos, have done very well in towns which have experienced major population growth just outside the main cities - presumably with lots of younger voters who bought properties in the boom and are now saddled with massive mortgages and negative equity. London is slowly going that way. Bloody slowly. And in the wrong direction? |
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Post by therealriga on Dec 22, 2015 12:17:07 GMT
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Post by neilm on Dec 22, 2015 12:41:33 GMT
I was due to fly to Malaga later today for a meeting at a gaming company that has a large office there. The meeting has been cancelled due to 'political uncertainty.' Odd !? I'm surprised that the election result appears to have been... a surprise ..... & missing out on some time in Malaga, we were there last weekend for a few days off, great city ! As I understand it, the assumption was that the PP would be closer to minority government with supply and confidence from Cs. Now that things are less clear, the project is on hold. I've not been for a while, but the botanical gardens are well worth a visit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:54:31 GMT
Odd !? I'm surprised that the election result appears to have been... a surprise ..... & missing out on some time in Malaga, we were there last weekend for a few days off, great city ! As I understand it, the assumption was that the PP would be closer to minority government with supply and confidence from Cs. Now that things are less clear, the project is on hold. I've not been for a while, but the botanical gardens are well worth a visit. The harbourside has been revamped as well. El Pimpi food & wine is still great !! |
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Post by neilm on Dec 22, 2015 13:03:39 GMT
& baffling from a UK perspective. Algeceiras votes PP while Medina-Sidonia is solid PSOE ..... Algeciras is exactly the kind of place you'd expect to vote PSOE (it's a dump) but they don't like migrants and they don't like the rest of the province of Cadiz (there are occasional comments on that in Europa Sur, for example). They're also bitter about fishing and bunkering on the other side of the bay and the PP feeds that. Medina-Sidonia might have a left led council (the mayor was IU at one point) and was known for the Red Duchess. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 22, 2015 18:59:23 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 22, 2015 19:00:36 GMT
Perhaps the PSOE should consider rebranding itself as the Country Party...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 16:44:48 GMT
Pedro Sanchez now rules out a grand coalition and says PSOE will vote against Rajoy and take over as leaders of the negotiations afterwards, also states that he will do "everything in his power" to get a "progressive government". Pablo Iglesias says PODEMOS is ready to enter a coalition with PSOE, so it looks like Spain will go the same route as Portugal, although probably with an actual coalition government.
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 3, 2016 22:35:24 GMT
It's now March and they still haven't sorted out who will govern.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 3, 2016 23:17:54 GMT
It's now March and they still haven't sorted out how will govern. Pah! The Belgians make this lot look like amateurs. |
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