piperdave
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Dalkeith; Midlothian/North & Musselburgh
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Post by piperdave on Nov 30, 2014 15:36:13 GMT
Labour hold Midlothian East. Trying to piece it together but looks a bit like this: | Party | First | Transfers | Stage 2 | Transfers | Stage 3 | Transfers | Stage 4 | | Lab | 1,294 | +16 | 1,310 | +33 | 1,343 | +100 | 1,443 | +239 | 1,682 | | SNP | 1,260 | +10 | 1,270 | +87 | 1,357 | +27 | 1,384 | +229 | 1,613 | | Ind | 780 | +9 | 789 | +42 | 831 | +83 | 914 | -914 | - | | C | 331 | +11 | 342 | +17 | 359 | -359 | - |
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| | SGP | 197 | ? | ? | -? | - |
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| | L Dem | 68 | -68 | - |
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I don't know the precise details of the AV rules set out in the legislation, but the use of the "?" to indicate unknown transfers to the Green Party may indicate that it is a version which prevents the SGP from receiving transferred votes on the grounds that the SGP and Lib Dem candidates combined had fewer votes than the next lowest candidate, and therefore there would not be any point in transferring votes from Lib Dem to SGP because the SGP is already bound to lose. The "proper" version of AV as recommended by the Electoral Reform Society would have had Green and Lib Dem both eliminated together after the first round. There are of course lots of versions of AV just as there are lots of versions of STV. P.S. Having said that, the Conservative candidate should also be ineligible to receive transfers under the same rule... Well, we use STV for our local elections, not AV. And the election rules do not allow the RO to roll several candidates together unlike in the Republic of Ireland. David preludes the post with the fact that he is trying to piece the transfers information together. This is because Midlothian haven't actually published it online so guessing David is working from information from colleagues so the question marks are incomplete information and not non-transferable rules. The Greens can only have gained a maximum of 22 votes, but some votes may have been non-transferable so it's likely to be a smaller figure. Hopefully we might get the official details tomorrow. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 15:40:48 GMT
Aye, Kilcooley is so posh it's twinned with Mayfair.  My brother's GF is from Coleraine. What is that like? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 30, 2014 15:42:29 GMT
Aye, Kilcooley is so posh it's twinned with Mayfair. My brother's GF is from Coleraine. What is that like? I have to be careful, my boss is from Portstewart, and a Coleraine FC fan! |
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johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Dec 1, 2014 2:16:36 GMT
Well, we use STV for our local elections, not AV. But of course STV with only one vacancy *is* AV. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 1, 2014 9:47:13 GMT
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john07
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Post by john07 on Dec 2, 2014 16:12:58 GMT
I don't know the precise details of the AV rules set out in the legislation, but the use of the "?" to indicate unknown transfers to the Green Party may indicate that it is a version which prevents the SGP from receiving transferred votes on the grounds that the SGP and Lib Dem candidates combined had fewer votes than the next lowest candidate, and therefore there would not be any point in transferring votes from Lib Dem to SGP because the SGP is already bound to lose. The "proper" version of AV as recommended by the Electoral Reform Society would have had Green and Lib Dem both eliminated together after the first round. There are of course lots of versions of AV just as there are lots of versions of STV. P.S. Having said that, the Conservative candidate should also be ineligible to receive transfers under the same rule... Well, we use STV for our local elections, not AV. Please enlighten as to how STV can be used to fill a single vacancy in a by-election. It would be have to be AV. |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Dec 4, 2014 20:37:49 GMT
Well, we use STV for our local elections, not AV. Please enlighten as to how STV can be used to fill a single vacancy in a by-election. It would be have to be AV. The Local Government (Scotland) Act 2004 says local government elections are conducted by use of the single transferable vote method. Please enlighten me as to which piece of legislation disapplies the 2004 Act and says council by-elections are conducted by alternative vote. |
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john07
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Post by john07 on Dec 4, 2014 21:05:50 GMT
Please enlighten as to how STV can be used to fill a single vacancy in a by-election. It would be have to be AV. The Local Government (Scotland) Act 2004 says local government elections are conducted by use of the single transferable vote method. Please enlighten me as to which piece of legislation disapplies the 2004 Act and says council by-elections are conducted by alternative vote. Single transferable vote for a single vacancy is logically impossible. I am suggesting that the Parliamentary draughtsmen do not know their arse from their elbow. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 4, 2014 21:16:03 GMT
AV is just a special case of STV when there is only one vacancy, it is not a distinct system in its own right.
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