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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 18:39:22 GMT
I like to think of it as the most extreme form of libertarianism. Surely anarchism involves the total absence of a state while communism involves an all encompassing state. Further to Sibboleth's point, it's worth keeping in mind that politically active self-identified anarchists have overwhelmingly been collectivist or communalist in one way or another (there are a great many very specific anarchist ideologies broadly along these lines that some may wish delineate more clearly than I do for the purposes of this thread). The idea that extreme 'small government' free-marketeers have anything in common with anarchists as traditionally conceived is rather recent -- and an idea that tends to be met with bafflement from the anarchist side at least. I still don't understand how society can be simultaneously collectivist and stateless. That is unless everyone wants to be collectivist - which they clearly do not. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 19:10:16 GMT
To think this was the Marxist "little Moscows" heartland of Scotland, and prior to that there was a strong Anarchist / syndicalist presence, in fact prior to the formation of the CPGB many miners were aligned to the Fife Communist Anarchist League. The collapse of the Commie vote in the early 50s was quite spectacular here (and in the Rhondda, of course). Don't have the source at hand read the first blow to the communists was the changes in the benefits system in 1934s which took it out of local hands, in Rhonda, Renton and Fife. The CP controlled these areas where the local rates were thought to be better and the means test opposed. So a National Benefit rate later combined with Labours expansion of the Welfare State and Nationalisation of major industries meant that the CP's control had been lessened. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 19:35:45 GMT
I still don't understand how society can be simultaneously collectivist and stateless. That is unless everyone wants to be collectivist - which they clearly do not. You're right that the achievement of anarchist ideals is ultimately dependent on persuading enough people to embrace anarchism. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 26, 2013 1:43:45 GMT
Surely anarchism involves the total absence of a state while communism involves an all encompassing state. Communism is the total absence of a state, because it has "withered away". An all-encompassing state is what is needed for the transitional stage of moving towards communism, rather than the end itself. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Nov 26, 2013 8:11:19 GMT
Current Fife councillor Willie Clarke, who has been an Independent councillor elected in The Lochs ward since 2007, was previously an Independent councillor in Ballingry and Lochore ward before 2007. He was first elected to Fife County Council in 1973, and then to Fife Regional Council, as a Communist. He was sponsored by the CPGB until it dissolved, then his supporters set up the Communist Party of Scotland. He is sometimes referred to as 'the last Communist councillor in the UK'. At the first elections in 1995 to the new Fife unitary council, 2 Communists were elected, and zero Conservatives. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 9:13:26 GMT
What the Anarchists need is a good strong leader.
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Post by andrea on Nov 29, 2013 21:49:14 GMT
Council leader Alex Rowley selected as Labour candidate. He stood in Dunfermline in 2011.
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 29, 2013 22:00:26 GMT
Council leader Alex Rowley selected as Labour candidate. He stood in Dunfermline in 2011. Just had to check whether they were male or female. It's a man. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 0:10:18 GMT
Council leader Alex Rowley selected as Labour candidate. He stood in Dunfermline in 2011. God Fuckin Help Us. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 0:16:37 GMT
Council leader Alex Rowley selected as Labour candidate. He stood in Dunfermline in 2011. God Fuckin Help Us. Apologise for that statement, meant to say Jesus fuckin wept. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 11:50:05 GMT
Old school Labour tribalist likely to be replaced with another old school tribalist?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 22:55:29 GMT
Old school Labour tribalist likely to be replaced with another old school tribalist? You know I don't actually see that, I see a Brownite betrayed by Brown, a Brown who did not have the guts to stand up to Dr Death and left Rowley to the bottom feeders over whatever "gate" it was. Labour broke the law. Rowley stated this in public, he was dumped and has not been the same man since. |
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Post by johnr on Dec 2, 2013 9:43:17 GMT
Care to give us a little more detail, jimboo?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 10:43:12 GMT
Care to give us a little more detail, jimboo? Much to do with this and similar stuff. I saw Rowley speak before this blew up and saw him after at the selection process for Glenrothes Weswtminster seat where John McDougall beat him. The sparkle had gone out but it was only later that I heard of the threats made against Rowley and the failure of Brown to support him. A sad reflection on Labour and it was about this time I decided to let my membership lapse. www.theguardian.com/politics/2000/dec/24/parliament.uk |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 11:12:31 GMT
Their Facebook group says that they're in the process of registering "The Victims Final Right" as a party in time for the by-election
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Post by andrea on Dec 8, 2013 18:57:32 GMT
Natalie McGarry selected by SNP. She was the only one on the shortlist. She's a policy adviser in a third sector organisation and has co-founded Women for Independence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 20:32:03 GMT
Natalie McGarry selected by SNP. She was the only one on the shortlist. She's a policy adviser in a third sector organisation and has co-founded Women for Independence. Quite active on twitter and I think I've met her once. She also stood (unsuccessfully) for the SNP European list a wee while back. Seems like a nice person, tribal SNP to the core and the niece of the presiding officer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 20:42:01 GMT
Natalie McGarry selected by SNP. She was the only one on the shortlist. She's a policy adviser in a third sector organisation and has co-founded Women for Independence. Quite active on twitter and I think I've met her once. She also stood (unsuccessfully) for the SNP European list a wee while back. Seems like a nice person, tribal SNP to the core and the niece of the presiding officer. Feck, they are pushing this family for every Fife seat going, did'nt the son stand for the council, he was the one who was paid minimum wage for researching Henry, turned out he was getting £11 an hour of tax payers money to carry out his duties. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 21:32:21 GMT
Here is her Website if that's of interest to you. Nope, I did click on your link, definitely does not interest me. |
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Post by johnr on Dec 9, 2013 9:29:01 GMT
She's quite savvy - she's locked out her twitter account so political enemies (her words) cant use her past witterings against her (and theres plenty).
Despite that, she is a nice enough person - I would say on the borderline between the rational and fruitcake wings of the SNP.
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