The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 11, 2013 11:25:22 GMT
We've had three in two and a half years this time. Three? I can only think of two deaths - the third by-election was caused by a resignation. Are list MSPs being included here? |
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johnr
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Post by johnr on Nov 11, 2013 11:42:37 GMT
Three? I can only think of two deaths - the third by-election was caused by a resignation. Are list MSPs being included here? In which case this will be the sixth replacement. John Park, Mark McDonald and David McLetchie have all been replaced on the list. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 11, 2013 11:58:03 GMT
With McLetchie being the third death.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 11, 2013 14:55:31 GMT
Exactly. The fact I included Bashir Ahmad on the list of those from previous parliaments should have been a clue that list MSPs were included  |
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Post by neilm on Nov 12, 2013 10:42:26 GMT
I had no idea about McLetchie.
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Post by Devonian on Nov 17, 2013 18:51:13 GMT
According to Peter Adams' twitter the UKIP candidate will be selected on 23 November
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andrea
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Post by andrea on Nov 23, 2013 16:40:43 GMT
The by-election will take place on January 23.
In the 4 wards totally included within the constituency boundaries, the 2012 locals result was
Lab 51.3%
SNP 33.6
Con 7.9
LD 5.2
UKIP 1.7
Others 0.2%
The split ward voted Lab 46.4 Ind 27.51 SNP 19 Ind 4.43 Con 2.66%
Applying the next door Dunfermline by-election swing to 2011 result would result in a 18.78% majority....which is more or less like the 2012 locals lead in the area.
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johnr
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Post by johnr on Nov 25, 2013 9:28:09 GMT
Think it might be harder to get the vote out, especially considering the possible weather.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 10:06:03 GMT
Think it might be harder to get the vote out, especially considering the possible weather. Add to the fact that it's not really going to be much of a contest and we're set for a bloody low turnout! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 10:20:23 GMT
To think this was the Marxist "little Moscows" heartland of Scotland, and prior to that there was a strong Anarchist / syndicalist presence, in fact prior to the formation of the CPGB many miners were aligned to the Fife Communist Anarchist League.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 25, 2013 10:31:08 GMT
Current Fife councillor Willie Clarke, who has been an Independent councillor elected in The Lochs ward since 2007, was previously an Independent councillor in Ballingry and Lochore ward before 2007. He was first elected to Fife County Council in 1973, and then to Fife Regional Council, as a Communist. He was sponsored by the CPGB until it dissolved, then his supporters set up the Communist Party of Scotland. He is sometimes referred to as 'the last Communist councillor in the UK'. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 10:36:02 GMT
To think this was the Marxist "little Moscows" heartland of Scotland, and prior to that there was a strong Anarchist / syndicalist presence, in fact prior to the formation of the CPGB many miners were aligned to the Fife Communist Anarchist League. How can you be a communist and an anarchist? Surely the two are polar opposites. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 25, 2013 10:37:35 GMT
No, communism and anarchism are an identity.
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 25, 2013 10:44:20 GMT
Clarke is the sort of person who would probably never consider standing for parliament, but would be brilliant if actually there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 11:01:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 15:47:58 GMT
How can you be a communist and an anarchist? Surely the two are polar opposites. I sometimes like to think of anarchism as the most extreme form of communism. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:08:53 GMT
I like to think of it as the most extreme form of libertarianism.
Surely anarchism involves the total absence of a state while communism involves an all encompassing state.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 25, 2013 17:17:56 GMT
You're confusing the reality of Communism as a system of government and the beliefs of most Western Communists, particularly before the Cold War.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 25, 2013 17:21:21 GMT
To think this was the Marxist "little Moscows" heartland of Scotland, and prior to that there was a strong Anarchist / syndicalist presence, in fact prior to the formation of the CPGB many miners were aligned to the Fife Communist Anarchist League. The collapse of the Commie vote in the early 50s was quite spectacular here (and in the Rhondda, of course). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:34:03 GMT
I like to think of it as the most extreme form of libertarianism. Surely anarchism involves the total absence of a state while communism involves an all encompassing state. Further to Sibboleth's point, it's worth keeping in mind that politically active self-identified anarchists have overwhelmingly been collectivist or communalist in one way or another (there are a great many very specific anarchist ideologies broadly along these lines that some may wish delineate more clearly than I do for the purposes of this thread). The idea that extreme 'small government' free-marketeers have anything in common with anarchists as traditionally conceived is rather recent -- and an idea that tends to be met with bafflement from the anarchist side at least. |
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