Blackburn

[CatholicLeft]

Mr Murray, having admitted his knowledge of the area is out of date, has offered to meet up with me "for a pint" to discuss local issues.
What do people think?
Given he tells me he worries about the segregation in the town, I would love to ask how he thinks that the George Galloway "Muslims who voted for Jack Straw in 2005 had a slave-mentality" and "now have a chance to redeem themselves by backing Craig Murray" speech given at a rally for Mr Murray in our town will help bring people together.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Apr 18, 2024 10:41:18 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Mr Murray, having admitted his knowledge of the area is out of date, has offered to meet up with me "for a pint" to discuss local issues.
What do people think?
Given he tells me he worries about the segregation in the town, I would love to ask how he thinks that the George Galloway "Muslims who voted for Jack Straw in 2005 had a slave-mentality" and "now have a chance to redeem themselves by backing Craig Murray" speech given at a rally for Mr Murray in our town will help bring people together.

Gut feeling- avoid. You could be opening yourself up to all manner of grief, for little gain on your part and plenty on his.

[right]

Apr 18, 2024 10:41:18 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Mr Murray, having admitted his knowledge of the area is out of date, has offered to meet up with me "for a pint" to discuss local issues.
What do people think?
Given he tells me he worries about the segregation in the town, I would love to ask how he thinks that the George Galloway "Muslims who voted for Jack Straw in 2005 had a slave-mentality" and "now have a chance to redeem themselves by backing Craig Murray" speech given at a rally for Mr Murray in our town will help bring people together.

Interesting whether this is Murray's idea or whether it's from the Galloway playbook. Galloway's certainly been able to score some stunning electoral successes and getting backing outside the Muslim community, and meeting community leaders onside may be part of that.

[Pete Whitehead]

This cunt is on GB News currently chatting to Neil Oliver (the latter sadly seems to have gone a bit mad lately)

[islington]

Apr 21, 2024 17:25:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

This cunt is on GB News currently chatting to Neil Oliver (the latter sadly seems to have gone a bit mad lately)

'lately'?

[CatholicLeft]

Apr 18, 2024 11:13:43 GMT right said:

Apr 18, 2024 10:41:18 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Mr Murray, having admitted his knowledge of the area is out of date, has offered to meet up with me "for a pint" to discuss local issues.
What do people think?
Given he tells me he worries about the segregation in the town, I would love to ask how he thinks that the George Galloway "Muslims who voted for Jack Straw in 2005 had a slave-mentality" and "now have a chance to redeem themselves by backing Craig Murray" speech given at a rally for Mr Murray in our town will help bring people together.

Interesting whether this is Murray's idea or whether it's from the Galloway playbook. Galloway's certainly been able to score some stunning electoral successes and getting backing outside the Muslim community, and meeting community leaders onside may be part of that.

He doesn't know who I am, as, after being dragged into nonsense in the past, I closed my old profile and opened a new one where I don't mention that I am a priest. I think my questions revealed I knew the area and issues better than he did and might be useful to him.
He is presently on a tour of oppressive Muslim regimes and so not sure when he will actually land in Blackburn.

[CatholicLeft]

Apr 18, 2024 10:48:30 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Apr 18, 2024 10:41:18 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Mr Murray, having admitted his knowledge of the area is out of date, has offered to meet up with me "for a pint" to discuss local issues.
What do people think?
Given he tells me he worries about the segregation in the town, I would love to ask how he thinks that the George Galloway "Muslims who voted for Jack Straw in 2005 had a slave-mentality" and "now have a chance to redeem themselves by backing Craig Murray" speech given at a rally for Mr Murray in our town will help bring people together.

Gut feeling- avoid. You could be opening yourself up to all manner of grief, for little gain on your part and plenty on his.

Probably right.

[spqr]

Has Craig Murray explained how he intends to reconcile his rebarbative brand of Scottish nationalism with the 'patriotic' British unionism espoused by his new party? Or does he, a la Panesar, hope to "leave that to George"?

[YL]

Apr 30, 2024 16:19:31 GMT spqr said:

Has Craig Murray explained how he intends to reconcile his rebarbative brand of Scottish nationalism with the 'patriotic' British unionism espoused by his new party? Or does he, a la Panesar, hope to "leave that to George"?

Sort of, yes. From his blog article "I Stand in Blackburn" (16 April):

Firstly, it is important to make clear my support for Scottish Independence is undiminished (which I sincerely believe would be good for the people of England too, including Blackburn, in allowing a modern country to emerge from the trappings of Imperial decay).
Secondly, I talked it over with Alex Salmond before I accepted to stand in Blackburn. I have not left the Alba Party. Alex and I mutually agreed that at this election it would be better for me not to stand for Alba in Scotland, as that would give the unionist press an opportunity to continue to muck-rake over the lawfare to which we had been subjected.
Thirdly, George Galloway has declared that he no longer will participate in the Independence debate in Scotland.

I have also seen it reported that the Workers’ Party will not stand candidates in Scotland. That will need to be worked through, but at the minimum I expect we can reach an agreement they will not stand anywhere against the Alba Party, which would render my own position impossible. As Alba is only planning to stand in up to 16 constituencies this should not be difficult. Working relationships between the two parties in the Commons are amicable, and all of this will be resolved in the next few weeks.

[YL]

Could Blackburn see the best performance by an Alba member in the General Election?

[jamie]

Apr 30, 2024 17:01:30 GMT YL said:

Firstly, it is important to make clear my support for Scottish Independence is undiminished (which I sincerely believe would be good for the people of England too, including Blackburn, in allowing a modern country to emerge from the trappings of Imperial decay).
Secondly, I talked it over with Alex Salmond before I accepted to stand in Blackburn. I have not left the Alba Party. Alex and I mutually agreed that at this election it would be better for me not to stand for Alba in Scotland, as that would give the unionist press an opportunity to continue to muck-rake over the lawfare to which we had been subjected.
Thirdly, George Galloway has declared that he no longer will participate in the Independence debate in Scotland.

I have also seen it reported that the Workers’ Party will not stand candidates in Scotland. That will need to be worked through, but at the minimum I expect we can reach an agreement they will not stand anywhere against the Alba Party, which would render my own position impossible. As Alba is only planning to stand in up to 16 constituencies this should not be difficult. Working relationships between the two parties in the Commons are amicable, and all of this will be resolved in the next few weeks.

So the Workers Party are going to de facto endorse a hardline pro-independence party despite offically being strongly pro-Union?

[carlton43]

Apr 30, 2024 18:37:00 GMT jamie said:

Apr 30, 2024 17:01:30 GMT YL said:

So the Workers Party are going to de facto endorse a hardline pro-independence party despite offically being strongly pro-Union?

Do not even attempt to inject abstract theoretical politics, logic or reason into this proterozoic soup of low lifes, grifters, racists, and white english haters who 'KNOW' where their truth lies even if they have many and diverse such truths in their own heads.  This is an unthinking mob juggernaut and they are here for the holy ride into a twilight apocalypse.  This is raw emotion in a zone devoid of normal thought.

[gwynthegriff]

Apr 21, 2024 17:43:32 GMT islington said:

Apr 21, 2024 17:25:39 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

This cunt is on GB News currently chatting to Neil Oliver (the latter sadly seems to have gone a bit mad lately)

'lately'?

'a bit' ?

[maxque]

Apr 30, 2024 18:37:00 GMT jamie said:

Apr 30, 2024 17:01:30 GMT YL said:

So the Workers Party are going to de facto endorse a hardline pro-independence party despite offically being strongly pro-Union?

You can easily make the argument that independence is a Scottish issue and won't be solved in Westminster (that's what being used in Canadian federal elections in case of "sovereignists" running for "federalist" parties).

[stb12]

Apr 30, 2024 21:54:12 GMT maxque said:

Apr 30, 2024 18:37:00 GMT jamie said:

So the Workers Party are going to de facto endorse a hardline pro-independence party despite offically being strongly pro-Union?

You can easily make the argument that independence is a Scottish issue and won't be solved in Westminster (that's what being used in Canadian federal elections in case of "sovereignists" running for "federalist" parties).

I suppose it’s odd because Galloway himself has been hard core unionist for a number of years, indeed his 2021 Scottish Parliament campaign was entirely an anti-independence one issue effort

But since that failed he clearly sees more advantage in Batley and Rochdale type campaigns they heavily focus on foreign policy issues, hence him now saying that he’s withdrawn from Scottish politics

[john07]

Apr 30, 2024 22:28:44 GMT stb12 said:

Apr 30, 2024 21:54:12 GMT maxque said:

You can easily make the argument that independence is a Scottish issue and won't be solved in Westminster (that's what being used in Canadian federal elections in case of "sovereignists" running for "federalist" parties).

I suppose it’s odd because Galloway himself has been hard core unionist for a number of years, indeed his 2021 Scottish Parliament campaign was entirely an anti-independence one issue effort

But since that failed he clearly sees more advantage in Batley and Rochdale type campaigns they heavily focus on foreign policy issues, hence him now saying that he’s withdrawn from Scottish politics

He will clearly run with any lunatic who is prepared to go on his ticket.

[greyfriar]

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/05/starmer-smashed-in-blackburn/

Murray now expects to win based on the performance of pro-Palestinian independents against official Labour candidates in the local elections. Also undertakes to move to the constituency.

Regrettable that such a polemic brand of politics is taking root within such communities and one surmises not ultimately to the benefit of the muslim residents whose animus is being encouraged and harnessed for broader purposes.

[john07]

Fixation on Middle East issues will do little to help the Moslem population in Blackburn and elsewhere.

There is next bugger all that any councillor or even any MP can do to influence anything going on in Israel or Palestine. So a few dissidents in a minority on the council will have zero impact. The chance of actually getting an MP will start and end with George Galloway and possibly Tower Hamlets. If anything that is likely to harden the stance against Palestine through enmity with Galloway.

[right]

May 6, 2024 17:26:25 GMT john07 said:

Fixation on Middle East issues will do little to help the Moslem population in Blackburn and elsewhere.

There is next bugger all that any councillor or even any MP can do to influence anything going on in Israel or Palestine. So a few dissidents in a minority on the council will have zero impact. The chance of actually getting an MP will start and end with George Galloway and possibly Tower Hamlets. If anything that is likely to harden the stance against Palestine through enmity with Galloway.

You mean competent management of the council is more important than what you feel about wider politics?

Sounds like just about every Tory council election campaign ever.

[john07]

May 6, 2024 17:33:32 GMT right said:

May 6, 2024 17:26:25 GMT john07 said:

Fixation on Middle East issues will do little to help the Moslem population in Blackburn and elsewhere.

There is next bugger all that any councillor or even any MP can do to influence anything going on in Israel or Palestine. So a few dissidents in a minority on the council will have zero impact. The chance of actually getting an MP will start and end with George Galloway and possibly Tower Hamlets. If anything that is likely to harden the stance against Palestine through enmity with Galloway.

You mean incompetent management of the council is more important than what you feel about wider politics?

Sounds like just about every Tory council election campaign ever.

You were almost right first time. Now corrected!

I wish I could find examples of well-run Tory councils. In many cases you are struggling to even find a Tory councillor let alone a Tory council.