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Post by nyx on Oct 28, 2024 10:08:16 GMT
At the end of the day I am struggling with the idea he would do this *for no reason*, intoxicated or not. So we will just have to wait and see what emerges. Well, there was presumably some argument leading up to it which angered him, but the question is whether he was genuinely acting in self defense when feeling unsafe (which does not seem to be the case). |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 28, 2024 10:10:10 GMT
Even then, who the person was and what they actually said could still provide mitigation. We are just going to have to let things take their natural course.
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Post by aargauer on Oct 28, 2024 10:43:11 GMT
Even then, who the person was and what they actually said could still provide mitigation. We are just going to have to let things take their natural course. That might stop him getting a custodial sentence but I doubt its relevant to his political career, which is clearly over. |
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Post by YL on Oct 28, 2024 11:07:36 GMT
Even then, who the person was and what they actually said could still provide mitigation. We are just going to have to let things take their natural course. That might stop him getting a custodial sentence but I doubt its relevant to his political career, which is clearly over. You need a custodial sentence (or at least a suspended one) for a recall, though. So even if he is convicted it is quite possible he serves out his term like Claudia Webbe (yeah, not the happiest precedent for Labour) did. And even if there is a by-election it might well be a long time in the future. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 28, 2024 11:38:39 GMT
I would be pretty surprised if he gets a sentence long enough to be eligible for recall.
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Post by cathyc on Oct 28, 2024 11:49:38 GMT
I would be pretty surprised if he gets a sentence long enough to be eligible for recall. I don't think any sentence is too short for a recall. I might be misreading this. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/MPs can be recalled under three circumstances:
Conviction in the UK of any offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained, after all appeals have been exhausted. Note – a sentence over 12 months in jail automatically disqualifies someone from being an MP; |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 28, 2024 11:54:14 GMT
I would be pretty surprised if he gets a sentence long enough to be eligible for recall. I don't think any sentence is too short for a recall. I might be misreading this. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05089/MPs can be recalled under three circumstances:
Conviction in the UK of any offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained, after all appeals have been exhausted. Note – a sentence over 12 months in jail automatically disqualifies someone from being an MP;The Recall of MPs Act 2015 provides that any sentence of imprisonment, including suspended sentences, triggers the recall procedure: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/25/section/2 |
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Post by ricmk on Oct 28, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
I'm nervous about getting ahead of ourselves. We still haven't seen a full video, and I think it's the Mail that's released the footage we've seen. I don't trust the Mail an inch, so we can safely assume we've only seen the worst of the footage, and there must be a reason that they haven't released the start of the incident, so it's likely to help Amesbury.
In terms of MPs having a minder for their social lives, including at 3am, I think a few of us have slightly lost track of quite how unglamorous being an MP is most of the time - but I believe they can carry panic buttons to alert authorities if they are involved in an incident.
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 12:42:38 GMT
I'm nervous about getting ahead of ourselves. We still haven't seen a full video, and I think it's the Mail that's released the footage we've seen. I don't trust the Mail an inch, so we can safely assume we've only seen the worst of the footage, and there must be a reason that they haven't released the start of the incident, so it's likely to help Amesbury. In terms of MPs having a minder for their social lives, including at 3am, I think a few of us have slightly lost track of quite how unglamorous being an MP is most of the time - but I believe they can carry panic buttons to alert authorities if they are involved in an incident. I'm not nervous. Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics. I predict a by-election here. |
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Post by batman on Oct 28, 2024 12:54:09 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther.
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Post by cathyc on Oct 28, 2024 12:57:01 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther. I don't see how Starmer would have a say in whether there's a by-election anyway. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 12:58:59 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther. I'm not obsessed with Keir Starmer. I campaigned against him - he won. End of story. He must care greatly about optics. How much were those glasses again? My issues with him are well-documented. He ran for leader and won. But his 'pledges' have gone AWOL. I was a fan of his early work. The 10 pledges were really good. I can be objective about Starmer. You went to university for free. Student debt is personal tome. I'd like Starmer to ameliorate it. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 28, 2024 13:15:18 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther. I'm not obsessed with Keir Starmer. I campaigned against him - he won. End of story. He must care greatly about optics. How much were those glasses again? My issues with him are well-documented. He ran for leader and won. But his 'pledges' have gone AWOL. I was a fan of his early work. The 10 pledges were really good. I can be objective about Starmer. You went to university for free. Student debt is personal tome. I'd like Starmer to ameliorate it. Why should the public pay for student debt? Either: a) The course is ineffective at providing high graduate salaries - it would be a poor use of public money to subsidize said course; or b) The course is effective at providing high graduate salaries - why can't the graduates pay for it themselves in that case. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 13:16:18 GMT
I'm not obsessed with Keir Starmer. I campaigned against him - he won. End of story. He must care greatly about optics. How much were those glasses again? My issues with him are well-documented. He ran for leader and won. But his 'pledges' have gone AWOL. I was a fan of his early work. The 10 pledges were really good. I can be objective about Starmer. You went to university for free. Student debt is personal tome. I'd like Starmer to ameliorate it. Why should the public pay for student debt? Either: a) The course is ineffective at providing high graduate salaries - it would be a poor use of public money to subsidize said course; or b) The course is effective at providing high graduate salaries - why can't the graduates pay for it themselves in that case. Well Scotland makes it work well. Employers should help pay the cost. It is they who insist people have degrees for jobs that, frankly, do not require them. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 28, 2024 13:24:35 GMT
Why should the public pay for student debt? Either: a) The course is ineffective at providing high graduate salaries - it would be a poor use of public money to subsidize said course; or b) The course is effective at providing high graduate salaries - why can't the graduates pay for it themselves in that case. Well Scotland makes it work well. Employers should help pay the cost. It is they who insist people have degrees for jobs that, frankly, do not require them. Not internationally competitive. Why would they? It's basically the same strategy as building the wall, and Mexico paying for it. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 13:27:02 GMT
Well Scotland makes it work well. Employers should help pay the cost. It is they who insist people have degrees for jobs that, frankly, do not require them. Not internationally competitive. It's basically the same strategy as building the wall, and Mexico paying for it. Have fewer jobs needing degrees then. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 28, 2024 13:39:27 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther. Ah! Quite so! Watch out for a tic in the eye and a missing thumb. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 13:40:19 GMT
Keir Starmer is obsessed with optics and you Sir are obsessed with Keir Starmer. You're starting to sound like Dreyfus from the Pink Panther. Ah! Quite so! Watch out for a tic in the eye and a missing thumb. I do have nystagmus funnily enough. That's not really relevant here, though. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 28, 2024 18:11:50 GMT
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Post by sanders on Oct 28, 2024 18:21:07 GMT
A bridge too far for Labour? |
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