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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 10, 2024 8:31:42 GMT
up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well It does rather depend on the independent, doesn't it. She's still about as popular in the region as Covid, though people do at least take Covid seriously. are any of the other independents less toxic than COVID? |
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 10, 2024 8:33:42 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so. Why do people presume that the Reform vote automatically came from the Tory ranks. Sense there are significant numbers from other Parties. That 66% will be bloated because of the 2019 candidate pattern. |
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Post by rcronald on Jul 10, 2024 8:52:25 GMT
I'm sure a lot of that was because of candidate selection. Most North-Eastern seats have more locally-born or bred Labour MPs & ones with less controversial views on certain topics (well, Israel, his views on other matters aren't particularly controversial, they're just standard Labour Right). He will have to work hard to gain the trust of his constituents. It is still hard to see a meaningful challenge against him & Labour here though. I think that I’ve already said elsewhere when he was first selected that Labour should be careful with parachuting candidates in NE. |
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Post by andrea on Jul 10, 2024 9:16:27 GMT
Change in share in Labour-held NE seats
Phillipson +6.4
Foy +6.2
Twist +6.1
McKinnell +5.9
Hodgson +4.7
Campbell +3.9
Morris +2.9
Osborne +2.1
Lavery +1.9
Atkinston 0 (new, late NEC selection)
McDonald (Stockton) -0.9 (new, early selection by CLP)
Fergusson -1.7 (new, late NEC selection. SoPN with a Chipping Barnet address)
Lewell-Buck -3.0
Akerhust -4.4 (new, late NEC selection)
McDonald (Middlesbrough) -6.8
Glindon -9.2
Onwurah -13.7
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 9:30:02 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so. I realize that you do not quite inhabit the same reality as the rest of us, but the election was last Thursday so it is a little late and she would have lost her deposit if she had run. Sib. I'm sorry I used your real name - that was wrong, but I think you know I meant 2029? You're the most intelligent poster on this site. I thought it was pretty clear. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 10, 2024 10:50:04 GMT
Full resultLAB 39.8% (-4.4)RFM 25.7% CON 15.6% (-18.8) LDEM 10.1% (+3.7) GRN 5.7% (+3.1) WPB 2.2% SDP 0.8% CON + RFM = 41.3%. I think that is the worst result for Labour in the North East barring two Newcastle seats and Middlesbrough & Thornaby East, and those would fit more into the pattern of where Labour's vote share went down. That is just the sort of seat where the Conservatives need to concede sphere of influence completely to Reform and to urge their supporters to support Reform or to abstain for the greater good of reducing the Labour tally by one more seat. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 10, 2024 11:09:15 GMT
I realize that you do not quite inhabit the same reality as the rest of us, but the election was last Thursday so it is a little late and she would have lost her deposit if she had run. up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well In the 1945 general election there were 8 Independent, 2 Independent Labour, 2 Independent Conservative, 2 Independent Liberal, 2 National Independent, and 1 Independent Progressive. There were also 3 MPs for the Independent Labour Party, but that doesn’t count because it was a party. P.S. 1979: 1 Independent Republican (Fermanagh & South Tyrone) 1974 October: 1 Independent Republican (F&ST) 1974 February: 1 Independent Labour (Blyth), 1 “Democratic Labour” (Lincoln) [which is a de-facto Independent because of the lack of party registration then] 1970: 1 Independent Labour (Merthyr Tydfil), 1 Independent (Mid Ulster) 1959: 1 Independent Conservative (Caithness & Sutherland) 1950: 1 Independent Liberal (Ross & Cromarty) 1935: 2 National Independent (government), 2 Independent (opposition) 1931: 2 National Independent (government), 4 Independent Liberal, 3 Independent Labour, 1 Independent |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 10, 2024 12:45:17 GMT
up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well In the 1945 general election there were 8 Independent, 2 Independent Labour, 2 Independent Conservative, 2 Independent Liberal, 2 National Independent, and 1 Independent Progressive. There were also 3 MPs for the Independent Labour Party, but that doesn’t count because it was a party. cheers, remarkable comparisons then |
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Post by cogload on Jul 10, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well It does rather depend on the independent, doesn't it. She's still about as popular in the region as Covid, though people do at least take Covid seriously. Pidcock's record in losing safe Labour seats in elections is pretty impressive.. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 10, 2024 13:47:25 GMT
Thanks largely to the centre & right wing of Labour deliberately using it's Brexit position to undermine the party and destroy it'schances at GE2019
Starmer the leader of that particular gang, no doubt advised by senior ex Lab MPs and other rancid, bitter Remainers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 2:21:05 GMT
The one seat in the country where I'd campaign for a Reform win on the basis that they came second to Akehurst. A Reform gain from Likud can't be ruled out here.
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Post by batman on Jul 18, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
I would once again wearily point out that, although Luke Akehurst is less critical of Israel's policies than I believe he ought to be, he is not a supporter of Likud. He would undoubtedly vote for Israeli Labor or its allies were he Israeli.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2024 18:42:25 GMT
Also note Luke Akehurst is not Jewish by religion. On matters other than foreign policy and defence, Luke Akehurst is well within mainstream Labour traditions. He strongly supported Ed Miliband not David Miliband in 2010.
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Post by batman on Jul 18, 2024 18:53:15 GMT
Indeed, he is an associate (i.e. non-Jewish) and not full member of the Jewish Labour Movement, as many Labour MPs are, including yours David.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 18, 2024 19:07:05 GMT
Also note Luke Akehurst is not Jewish by religion. On matters other than foreign policy and defence, Luke Akehurst is well within mainstream Labour traditions. He strongly supported Ed Miliband not David Miliband in 2010. found this corker on Akehursts blog endorsing Ed: "Pretty much agree with all of that, Luke. I'm to the left of you but essentially I'm not on the left of the party either." - Merseymike |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2024 19:54:15 GMT
Indeed, he is an associate (i.e. non-Jewish) and not full member of the Jewish Labour Movement, as many Labour MPs are, including yours David. I am not an associate member of the JLM because I believe in secular politics, incidentally. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 18, 2024 20:05:22 GMT
Indeed, he is an associate (i.e. non-Jewish) and not full member of the Jewish Labour Movement, as many Labour MPs are, including yours David. I am not an associate member of the JLM because I believe in secular politics, incidentally. there are many secular Jews |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2024 20:07:47 GMT
I am not an associate member of the JLM because I believe in secular politics, incidentally. there are many secular Jews Could you miss the point a bit more obviously? I do not believe political organisations should be based on religious affiliation and I will not lend any support to any such organisation, however well-intentioned. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 18, 2024 20:10:59 GMT
there are many secular Jews Could you miss the point a bit more obviously? I do not believe political organisations should be based on religious affiliation and I will not lend any support to any such organisation, however well-intentioned. JLM is not a religious affiliated organisation |
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Post by batman on Jul 18, 2024 20:13:18 GMT
It's an organisation for Jews as an ethnicity, as a people. It has very limited religious focus although it does have events for Passover & Channukah. Passover celebrates the survival & flourishing of Jews as a people more than anything else, which is why most secular Jews celebrate it along with those who do observe Judaism. The Channukah event is very popular with secular Jews too, and I always attend, attracted by the chance to meet other Labour Party colleagues, as well as by the latkes & doughnuts. It would be false to describe it as a totally & strictly secular organisation, but it's full of secular Jews such as me and plenty of others who in no way feel repelled by it; it's a group which welcomes Jewish people as people, not as synagogue members.
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