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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 11:57:55 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge. Whatever you think of his positions on Israel/Palestine, no. He's very much a Labour Zionist who would if anything be delighted to see Netanyahu in a prison cell. Well he appears to be happy to see Netanhahu's Einsatzgruppen do their work in Gaza. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 2, 2024 14:46:14 GMT
Not sure if tweet functionality has changed with the new URL? If, like me you can't see it it's an image of Luke Akehurst's car being blockaded. |
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Post by Ports on Jun 2, 2024 15:07:36 GMT
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Post by norflondon on Jun 2, 2024 15:38:34 GMT
Could you please tell me how to post tweets here like that? Thank you
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Post by stb12 on Jun 2, 2024 16:52:46 GMT
Whatever you think of his positions on Israel/Palestine, no. He's very much a Labour Zionist who would if anything be delighted to see Netanyahu in a prison cell. Well he appears to be happy to see Netanhahu's Einsatzgruppen do their work in Gaza. This trend you have going of Nazi comparisons to everything really has to stop, and I mean it |
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 17:09:12 GMT
Well he appears to be happy to see Netanhahu's Einsatzgruppen do their work in Gaza. This trend you have going of Nazi comparisons to everything really has to stop, and I mean it To everything? Goodness me - many have made such a comparison re the events in Gaza. You must have seen complaints of Genocide etc even before the ICJ. |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 17:18:50 GMT
You've been asked before and you've done two today. You may think that Netanyahu is committing genocide, and that wouldn't be an unreasonable view. But you have compared Keir Starmer to Hitler. Do you have the slightest idea how offensive that is? Not just to Jewish people, but to anyone who lost family members or friends to Nazi tyranny? I'm only here saying this to you because of the pure chance that my family members left Poland before the Nazis overran the country and were safe here in England. One great-uncle was not so fortunate; he returned to Poland & was gassed to death with his wife & children. My great-uncle Shimon in France only by the skin of his teeth managed to avoid capture; thankfully he lived long enough for me to know him & his family. Please, for once in your life, show just a little bit of respect. EDIT : It apparently wasn't referring to Starmer. Although I still feel it was a highly inappropriate comparison.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 2, 2024 17:51:20 GMT
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 2, 2024 18:32:00 GMT
Dok, please post constructive things, you seem only to be posting garbage twitter, why bother?
The other Liberal Democrats on this board deserve better than this low standard of posting.
It's bad enough from unaligned people, but I hold party members to a higher standard. More fool me probably.
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 19:17:13 GMT
You've been asked before and you've done two today. You may think that Netanyahu is committing genocide, and that wouldn't be an unreasonable view. But you have compared Keir Starmer to Hitler. Do you have the slightest idea how offensive that is? Not just to Jewish people, but to anyone who lost family members or friends to Nazi tyranny? I'm only here saying this to you because of the pure chance that my family members left Poland before the Nazis overran the country and were safe here in England. One great-uncle was not so fortunate; he returned to Poland & was gassed to death with his wife & children. My great-uncle Shimon in France only by the skin of his teeth managed to avoid capture; thankfully he lived long enough for me to know him & his family. Please, for once in your life, show just a little bit of respect. You are completely distorting what I actually said - and the context.When did I compare Starmer to Hitler? I have not mentioned him here today. I did respond to the comments of another contributor directed at Diane Abbott which I considered to be unreasonable in that he was suggesting a course of conduct which I suggested 'the fuhrer' would have followed. To be honest, I would have expected you to take a similar view. Starmer was not included in my remarks at all. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 2, 2024 19:23:49 GMT
Some might say Welsh land? Powys, definitely. Tegeingl, probably, |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 19:48:11 GMT
You've been asked before and you've done two today. You may think that Netanyahu is committing genocide, and that wouldn't be an unreasonable view. But you have compared Keir Starmer to Hitler. Do you have the slightest idea how offensive that is? Not just to Jewish people, but to anyone who lost family members or friends to Nazi tyranny? I'm only here saying this to you because of the pure chance that my family members left Poland before the Nazis overran the country and were safe here in England. One great-uncle was not so fortunate; he returned to Poland & was gassed to death with his wife & children. My great-uncle Shimon in France only by the skin of his teeth managed to avoid capture; thankfully he lived long enough for me to know him & his family. Please, for once in your life, show just a little bit of respect. You are completely distorting what I actually said - and the context.When did I compare Starmer to Hitler? I have not mentioned him here today. I did respond to the comments of another contributor directed at Diane Abbott which I considered to be unreasonable in that he was suggesting a course of conduct which I suggested 'the fuhrer' would have followed. To be honest, I would have expected you to take a similar view. Starmer was not included in my remarks at all. I've read it again. To me it seems to mean that if Keir Starmer had blocked Diane Abbott from standing for the Labour Party it would have been what the Fuhrer would have done. If I have misunderstood you I apologize without reservation, but what is it you did actually mean? |
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 19:59:27 GMT
You are completely distorting what I actually said - and the context.When did I compare Starmer to Hitler? I have not mentioned him here today. I did respond to the comments of another contributor directed at Diane Abbott which I considered to be unreasonable in that he was suggesting a course of conduct which I suggested 'the fuhrer' would have followed. To be honest, I would have expected you to take a similar view. Starmer was not included in my remarks at all. I've read it again. To me it seems to mean that if Keir Starmer had blocked Diane Abbott from standing for the Labour Party it would have been what the Fuhrer would have done. If I have misunderstood you I apologize without reservation, but what is it you did actually mean? The other contributor was suggesting that Starmer had been weak and went on to say that he ought to have acted in a way that was totally insensitive, uncaring and clearly without regard to Diane Abbot's welfare at all. I believe he referred to her at one point as 'an old bag.' That is what I briefly responded to. |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 20:10:21 GMT
It's still a highly inappropriate Nazi comparison even though you weren't talking about Starmer. I will delete those of my comments which are inappropriate to this situation but will still ask, please reset your default settings not to keep comparing stuff you think is not very nice, or a bit cruel, to the Nazis. However badly Diane Abbott might have been treated, or someone suggested she could be treated, it's still highly inappropriate.
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 20:47:20 GMT
It's still a highly inappropriate Nazi comparison even though you weren't talking about Starmer. I will delete those of my comments which are inappropriate to this situation but will still ask, please reset your default settings not to keep comparing stuff you think is not very nice, or a bit cruel, to the Nazis. However badly Diane Abbott might have been treated, or someone suggested she could be treated, it's still highly inappropriate. I do appreciate that. I feel I must add though that the Nazi period contained so many dark chapters - of which the Holocaust was the most extreme. For that reason , I do not consider it out of order - or inappropriate- to make references from time to time to other events from that ghastly 12 year period when contemporary parallels appear to arise - even though they do fall well short of Nazi depravity at its most extreme. In another forum I have strongly criticised Bush and Blair for the March 2003 Iraq invasion andd have pointed out - and I remain persuaded of this - that by their action they were more culpable in terms of the First Indictment at the 1945/46 Nuremburg Tribunal - the Indictment concerning crimes against peace and conspiracy to commit such crimes - than any of the German leaders arraingned before the Court with the single exception of Ribbentrop. Even Goering did not will the attack on Poland in September 1939 nor the attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941 - though he most certainly bore a heavy burden of guilt in respect of the other Indictments - including Crimes against Humanity. I feel it entirely reasonable to consider the historical parallels here and by doing so we might deter other leaders from such a course - though Putin's aggression in Ukraine speaks fot itself. It does pain me greatly that Bush and Blair have not been held to account for what they did - and that failure exposes Western Governments to the charge of hypocrisy and Double Standards. Recent events re- candidate selection and last minute deselection have generated accusations of a 'Purge' - and whilst this does not relate to the physical existence of the individuals involved, I have to say it does evoke thoughts of the Roehm Purge of 30th June 1934 - the 'Night of the Long Knives' when Hitler culled many SA leaders and settled many scores with his opponents and enemies including Strasser and his predecessor as Reich Chancellor. It really does make me feel very uncomfortable indeed and sometimes causes my anger to explode somewhat. These things do touch me at a very deep level - but I would not wish you to doubt that I ever lose sight of the most heinous atrocities of that evil regime. I do not - and I never will.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jun 3, 2024 1:31:34 GMT
Pallywood comes to Britain
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 3, 2024 4:11:36 GMT
I get the feeling that Akehurst really ought to have failed vetting on the basis of his past comments, but of course he is far too well connected for that.
Will be interesting to see if he is fast tracked into government.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 3, 2024 9:57:31 GMT
The video is a poor quality fake, and at the time of the Uxbridge byelection Luke Akehurst's job was Labour agent in Camden.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 10:00:18 GMT
The video is a poor quality fake, and at the time of the Uxbridge byelection Luke Akehurst's job was Labour agent in Camden. I see. I've deleted that now. I still don't like Akehurst though and probably working backwards from my conclusions. I'd be interested to know what actually happened re: the Uxbridge 1997 GE candidate not standing again. Also, would you please delete your comment also so that the thread makes sense? Thanks. |
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