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Post by rcronald on May 31, 2024 3:22:04 GMT
Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. What happened to the Canaanites? (ducks, runs away fast) They no longer exist 😬 |
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Post by finsobruce on May 31, 2024 20:47:01 GMT
What happened to the Canaanites? (ducks, runs away fast) They no longer exist 😬 They had quite a purple patch though. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 1, 2024 15:59:12 GMT
Small Labour inside question: Does Akehurst's election would mean he would leave the NEC?
Does an influent member of the NEC has more influence over the party than a random backbencher (what he may as well end up being)?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 1, 2024 16:08:05 GMT
Small Labour inside question: Does Akehurst's election would mean he would leave the NEC? Does an influent member of the NEC has more influence over the party than a random backbencher (what he may as well end up being)? yes, ironically a change that happened during the modernisation of the labour party I believe |
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Post by andrea on Jun 1, 2024 17:35:40 GMT
Small Labour inside question: Does Akehurst's election would mean he would leave the NEC? Does an influent member of the NEC has more influence over the party than a random backbencher (what he may as well end up being)? Yes, MPs can't sit as CLPs Reps on the NEC because MPs already have the 3 PLP seats on the NEC. Well, he can go back to the NEC in the PLP seats though. Currently the PLP reps on the NEC are George Howarth, Angela Eagle and Margaret Beckett. Two of them are retiring. And actually, some months ago, with mattbewilson (IIRC), we were discussing on another thread the potential over-nomination of Labour to Win slate in the STV upcoming NEC elections. Well, actually, it was just a preparation for their candidates/elected members dropping out from the race because of their election as MPs. Akehurst and Josan will surely be elected and possibly also Baxter. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 1, 2024 18:00:36 GMT
Small Labour inside question: Does Akehurst's election would mean he would leave the NEC? Does an influent member of the NEC has more influence over the party than a random backbencher (what he may as well end up being)? Yes, MPs can't sit as CLPs Reps on the NEC because MPs already have the 3 PLP seats on the NEC. Well, he can go back to the NEC in the PLP seats though. Currently the PLP reps on the NEC are George Howarth, Angela Eagle and Margaret Beckett. Two of them are retiring. And actually, some months ago, with mattbewilson (IIRC), we were discussing on another thread the potential over-nomination of Labour to Win slate in the STV upcoming NEC elections. Well, actually, it was just a preparation for their candidates/elected members dropping out from the race because of their election as MPs. Akehurst and Josan will surely be elected and possibly also Baxter. I assumed they'd just replace their candidates but you could be ofc right. Be interesting to see what happens if their three most popular candidates aren't in the running. I think Akehurst and Baxter were the only candidates on their slate to get the quorate on the first round |
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Post by andrea on Jun 1, 2024 18:05:24 GMT
Yes, MPs can't sit as CLPs Reps on the NEC because MPs already have the 3 PLP seats on the NEC. Well, he can go back to the NEC in the PLP seats though. Currently the PLP reps on the NEC are George Howarth, Angela Eagle and Margaret Beckett. Two of them are retiring. And actually, some months ago, with mattbewilson (IIRC), we were discussing on another thread the potential over-nomination of Labour to Win slate in the STV upcoming NEC elections. Well, actually, it was just a preparation for their candidates/elected members dropping out from the race because of their election as MPs. Akehurst and Josan will surely be elected and possibly also Baxter. I assumed they'd just replace their candidates but you could be ofc right. Be interesting to see what happens if their three most popular candidates aren't in the running. I think Akehurst and Baxter were the only candidates on their slate to get the quorate on the first round Now yes, they can do that. But if the GE had been called in the fall, the NEC ballot would have been already out and so no possibility to replace candidates*. And I am sure Akehurst, Josan and co knew late retirements were coming and who they would be. I still think that part of the reason Akehurst and Baxter were so higher than others was because they came first in alphabetical orders. Like Barnard and Bolton were the top voted in the Momentum slate. * I am basing all this on the thought that when vacancies arise in the CLP section, they re-run STV instead of doing by-elections, like they did when Wimborne-Idrissi was suspended and her seat given to Mish Rahman |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 1, 2024 18:06:06 GMT
Broadly speaking the NEC is more important when Labour is in opposition than when it is in power.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 1, 2024 18:16:41 GMT
I assumed they'd just replace their candidates but you could be ofc right. Be interesting to see what happens if their three most popular candidates aren't in the running. I think Akehurst and Baxter were the only candidates on their slate to get the quorate on the first round Now yes, they can do that. But if the GE had been called in the fall, the NEC ballot would have been already out and so no possibility to replace candidates. And I am sure Akehurst, Josan and co knew late retirements were coming and who they would be. I still think that part of the reason Akehurst and Baxter were so higher than others was because they came first in alphabetical orders. Like Barnard and Bolton were the top voted in the Momentum slate. you might have some argument there but Luke Akehurst and Joanne Baxter are the longest serving members if you include their previous stints. Equally Jess Bernard previous stint in Young Labour. Gemma Bolton has served a length but I'd have thought Yasmine Dar was better known. In 2020 prior to LTW encouraging tactical voting Luke Akehurst topped the poll by 20k over Joanne Baxter |
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Post by batman on Jun 1, 2024 19:00:50 GMT
Now yes, they can do that. But if the GE had been called in the fall, the NEC ballot would have been already out and so no possibility to replace candidates. And I am sure Akehurst, Josan and co knew late retirements were coming and who they would be. I still think that part of the reason Akehurst and Baxter were so higher than others was because they came first in alphabetical orders. Like Barnard and Bolton were the top voted in the Momentum slate. you might have some argument there but Luke Akehurst and Joanne Baxter are the longest serving members if you include their previous stints. Equally Jess Bernard previous stint in Young Labour. Gemma Bolton has served a length but I'd have thought Yasmine Dar was better known. In 2020 prior to LTW encouraging tactical voting Luke Akehurst topped the poll by 20k over Joanne Baxter perhaps they are as long-serving as they are precisely because of their position in the alphabet  |
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Post by john07 on Jun 1, 2024 19:12:51 GMT
you might have some argument there but Luke Akehurst and Joanne Baxter are the longest serving members if you include their previous stints. Equally Jess Bernard previous stint in Young Labour. Gemma Bolton has served a length but I'd have thought Yasmine Dar was better known. In 2020 prior to LTW encouraging tactical voting Luke Akehurst topped the poll by 20k over Joanne Baxter perhaps they are as long-serving as they are precisely because of their position in the alphabet Maybe they should run the ballot in reverse alphabetical order in alternate elections? That was, apparently, the rule for the Students Union at Manchester University when I was there. This had fallen into disuse until it was unearthed by the Internal VP who was responsible for elections. His name was Dave Watson! |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 1, 2024 21:19:51 GMT
you might have some argument there but Luke Akehurst and Joanne Baxter are the longest serving members if you include their previous stints. Equally Jess Bernard previous stint in Young Labour. Gemma Bolton has served a length but I'd have thought Yasmine Dar was better known. In 2020 prior to LTW encouraging tactical voting Luke Akehurst topped the poll by 20k over Joanne Baxter perhaps they are as long-serving as they are precisely because of their position in the alphabet if only  Pete willsman might say otherwise lol |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 1, 2024 22:46:19 GMT
perhaps they are as long-serving as they are precisely because of their position in the alphabet Maybe they should run the ballot in reverse alphabetical order in alternate elections? That was, apparently, the rule for the Students Union at Manchester University when I was there. This had fallen into disuse until it was unearthed by the Internal VP who was responsible for elections. His name was Dave Watson! Why have an alpha list? Randomize the list by an independent draw for each seat made by a clerk under supervision of the deputy returning officer and a witness. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 1, 2024 23:39:48 GMT
Maybe they should run the ballot in reverse alphabetical order in alternate elections? That was, apparently, the rule for the Students Union at Manchester University when I was there. This had fallen into disuse until it was unearthed by the Internal VP who was responsible for elections. His name was Dave Watson! Why have an alpha list? Randomize the list by an independent draw for each seat made by a clerk under supervision of the deputy returning officer and a witness. At least that would have stopped the individual who stood in loads of student union elections under the name: Anthony Aardvark-Jones. He was top of advert ballot paper! |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 7:03:58 GMT
Don’t forget a notable former NUS President - Dave Aaronovitch
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Post by greenhert on Jun 2, 2024 7:14:11 GMT
Maybe they should run the ballot in reverse alphabetical order in alternate elections? That was, apparently, the rule for the Students Union at Manchester University when I was there. This had fallen into disuse until it was unearthed by the Internal VP who was responsible for elections. His name was Dave Watson! Why have an alpha list? Randomize the list by an independent draw for each seat made by a clerk under supervision of the deputy returning officer and a witness. And also make the ballot paper as square as possible. People read left to right before they read top to bottom. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2024 7:41:23 GMT
Why have an alpha list? Randomize the list by an independent draw for each seat made by a clerk under supervision of the deputy returning officer and a witness. And also make the ballot paper as square as possible. People read left to right before they read top to bottom. But, the more candidates the less square it will be! And moving from vertical to horizontal printing would not help the 'squareness'. And it would delay the count as a horizontal would pose heuristic difficulties for most counting clerks. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 2, 2024 8:05:19 GMT
And also make the ballot paper as square as possible. People read left to right before they read top to bottom. But, the more candidates the less square it will be! And moving from vertical to horizontal printing would not help the 'squareness'. And it would delay the count as a horizontal would pose heuristic difficulties for most counting clerks. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 2, 2024 10:41:21 GMT
Why have an alpha list? Randomize the list by an independent draw for each seat made by a clerk under supervision of the deputy returning officer and a witness. And also make the ballot paper as square as possible. People read left to right before they read top to bottom. I don’t see how the direction of reading (left to right, top to bottom, bottom to top, whatever) has got anything to do with the shape (square, rectangle) of the ballot paper. If you want ballot papers to be square, then presumably the ones with more candidates will have to be wider, instead of having the usual standard width. |
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Post by owain on Jun 2, 2024 11:54:35 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge. Whatever you think of his positions on Israel/Palestine, no. He's very much a Labour Zionist who would if anything be delighted to see Netanyahu in a prison cell. |
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Pete willsman might say otherwise lol
