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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 30, 2024 16:52:37 GMT
Why don't all these Labour hating left wing posters just be honest, like Merseymike, about their standing with Labour. Why don't they say they prefer tusc or the workers party or the Greens? Maybe because it's easier to be a sniper and a troll than be honest and upfront.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 16:59:31 GMT
Akehurst is a proper Right-Winger (not right-winger and not centre/centre-left) in a way that Starmer isn't. but that isn't quite the same thing as being on the right of the party - indeed, he endorsed Ed Miliband in 2010. He is relentlessly confrontational, but on the rare occasions when he's talking about domestic policy he is pretty mainstream in Labour terms. But if someone's guiding passion was described as "fighting the right" within the party, there would be uproar if they were given a parliamentary seat. I have undoubtedly drifted away from the party's left and towards the more moderate side in factional terms, but Akehurst is a bridge too far, and it's even more worrying that he's been imposed by the NEC |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 16:59:52 GMT
Why don't all these Labour hating left wing posters just be honest, like Merseymike, about their standing with Labour. Why don't they say they prefer tusc or the workers party or the Greens? Maybe because it's easier to be a sniper and a troll than be honest and upfront. But they are....I can't think they are left wingers. Some are centrist, say The Bishop, but the rest are right "moderates". Of course I don't agree with them. |
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Post by wysall on May 30, 2024 17:08:24 GMT
The left of the Party won't be happy with that. Neither is much of the right, apparently, looking at the post above yours. An important thing to remember about Akehurst is that he was obviously on track for a parliamentary career (senior councillor in Hackney, a couple of tilts at unwinnable constituencies in General Elections etc) until his medical emergency and lengthy recovery. Someone who gets back on track (even if via a very different route) is by definition an unusual person and not a cardboard cut-out, whether positive or negative. Akehurst actually thought he could win Castle Point in 2005 AIUI. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 30, 2024 18:12:26 GMT
Why don't all these Labour hating left wing posters just be honest, like Merseymike, about their standing with Labour. Why don't they say they prefer tusc or the workers party or the Greens? Maybe because it's easier to be a sniper and a troll than be honest and upfront. But they are....I can't think they are left wingers. Some are centrist, say The Bishop , but the rest are right "moderates". Of course I don't agree with them. I think we're thinking of different posters. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 18:45:07 GMT
I mean, it's patently ridiculous that Jews living in places like Bethlehem could be described as illegal in the first instance, but the context is right there - he's suggesting a trade of land for land. I don't think Israel will want to take a 'they were once there so they have a legal right to set up settlements there' stance, for some reason. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 30, 2024 19:50:21 GMT
I don't think Israel will want to take a 'they were once there so they have a legal right to set up settlements there' stance, for some reason. Pretty sure it's more a "we built that place, it's eternally Jewish" stance, rather than some game of occupier musical chairs. |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 20:32:55 GMT
Why don't all these Labour hating left wing posters just be honest, like Merseymike, about their standing with Labour. Why don't they say they prefer tusc or the workers party or the Greens? Maybe because it's easier to be a sniper and a troll than be honest and upfront. But they are....I can't think they are left wingers. Some are centrist, say The Bishop , but the rest are right "moderates". Of course I don't agree with them. no. how centrist someone is is simply not conditioned to their attitude towards Israel. If you want a socialist transformation of society, and an end to capitalist society, you are not centrist or moderate. You are transformational and left-wing. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on May 30, 2024 20:49:58 GMT
I don't think Israel will want to take a 'they were once there so they have a legal right to set up settlements there' stance, for some reason. Pretty sure it's more a "we built that place, it's eternally Jewish" stance, rather than some game of occupier musical chairs. I guess we'd better give Chester back to Italy then. And try to convince our former colonies to give back all the cities we built in them. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 30, 2024 20:52:52 GMT
Pretty sure it's more a "we built that place, it's eternally Jewish" stance, rather than some game of occupier musical chairs. I guess we'd better give Chester back to Italy then. And try to convince our former colonies to give back all the cities we built in them. Pretty sure Chester has always been in Britain, dude. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on May 30, 2024 20:53:38 GMT
I guess we'd better give Chester back to Italy then. And try to convince our former colonies to give back all the cities we built in them. Pretty sure Chester has always been in Britain, dude. It was built by the Romans which was the original criteria. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 30, 2024 21:05:26 GMT
Pretty sure Chester has always been in Britain, dude. It was built by the Romans which was the original criteria. Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on May 30, 2024 21:13:22 GMT
It was built by the Romans which was the original criteria. Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. The Romans owned/occupied Britain at the time so it was on Roman lands. Also being pedantic the Israelites were not Jews when Bethlehem was first built. They wouldn't be monotheists for another half millenium and Judaism would not exist for a few hundred years after that. |
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Post by wysall on May 30, 2024 21:29:20 GMT
It was built by the Romans which was the original criteria. Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. No: Chester was built by Æthelflæd on English land. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2024 21:33:09 GMT
Pretty sure it's more a "we built that place, it's eternally Jewish" stance, rather than some game of occupier musical chairs. I guess we'd better give Chester back to Italy then. And try to convince our former colonies to give back all the cities we built in them. Well on your own criteria, Italy didn't exist then. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on May 30, 2024 21:43:15 GMT
I guess we'd better give Chester back to Italy then. And try to convince our former colonies to give back all the cities we built in them. Well on your own criteria, Italy didn't exist then. True, but if you give it back to Rome then you're giving it to Italy as Rome is now the capital of Italy. Or you'd give it to one of the nations that claim to be a successor state to ancient Rome, or... yes, I can see where this would get complicated. Perhaps I should have come up with a different example. Perhaps somewhere founded by the Danes. Anyone up for giving them Corby? |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 30, 2024 21:44:48 GMT
You'd need to wrestle Corby off the Scots first.
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Post by john07 on May 30, 2024 22:17:57 GMT
Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. No: Chester was built by Æthelflæd on English land. Some might say Welsh land? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 30, 2024 22:36:47 GMT
No: Chester was built by Æthelflæd on English land. Some might say Welsh land? Powys, definitely. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 31, 2024 2:24:08 GMT
It was built by the Romans which was the original criteria. Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. What happened to the Canaanites? (ducks, runs away fast) |
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