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Post by graham on May 30, 2024 11:07:49 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge.
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2024 12:22:45 GMT
A new low. Would be surprised - nay shocked - if Laura P doesn't stand here You think that Pidcock is actually popular? Bless. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 12:25:41 GMT
A new low. Would be surprised - nay shocked - if Laura P doesn't stand here You think that Pidcock is actually popular? Bless. So where are left wing candidates. The broad church? Oh, yes... |
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Post by stb12 on May 30, 2024 13:10:39 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge. Does everything come back to pro or anti-Isreal? |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on May 30, 2024 13:18:26 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge. Does everything come back to pro or anti-Isreal? Well, considering the Labour candidate is director of a Zionist organisation called "We Believe in Israel", tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel, and was described by an Israeli diplomat (who was found to be plotting against British MPs) as "the best on the inside...", on this occasion I think it has a lot to do with Israel. He also described the UN as "antisemitic" on Twitter - is that the official Labour line now? Or will he be deselected for his tweeting history? |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 13:22:19 GMT
Please show me where he tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel. That would not be in accordance with what I previously have known about his views. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist per se, but I reject the notion that Israel is invariably right & its opponents always wrong, and always have done. (I should add that I am strongly opposed to the settlements being accepted into Israel.)
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on May 30, 2024 13:24:06 GMT
Please show me where he tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel. That would not be in accordance with what I previously have known about his views. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist per se, but I reject the notion that Israel is invariably right & its opponents always wrong, and always have done. (I should add that I am strongly opposed to the settlements being accepted into Israel.) Of course it would be useful to see this comment within the context of the thread/conversation, but, unfortunately, Akehurst has deleted over 1,000 tweets over the last day or so. |
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Post by John Chanin on May 30, 2024 13:26:26 GMT
Please show me where he tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel. That would not be in accordance with what I previously have known about his views. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist per se, but I reject the notion that Israel is invariably right & its opponents always wrong, and always have done. (I should add that I am strongly opposed to the settlements being accepted into Israel.) |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 13:42:00 GMT
Labour appears to have imposed a Netenyahu stoodge. Does everything come back to pro or anti-Isreal? Yes. Indeed, Israel should been slung out, supporting BDS, and Labour candidates should be deselected. |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 13:43:00 GMT
Please show me where he tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel. That would not be in accordance with what I previously have known about his views. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist per se, but I reject the notion that Israel is invariably right & its opponents always wrong, and always have done. (I should add that I am strongly opposed to the settlements being accepted into Israel.) Of course it would be useful to see this comment within the context of the thread/conversation, but, unfortunately, Akehurst has deleted over 1,000 tweets over the last day or so. OK thanks. Well that is against international law, and against Labour Party policy. I have never heard any other member of the Labour Party espouse this policy, hence my request. |
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Post by stb12 on May 30, 2024 13:44:17 GMT
Does everything come back to pro or anti-Isreal? Yes. Indeed, Israel should been slung out, supporting BDS, and Labour candidates should be deselected. Personally i don’t think a foreign policy view should be the defining factor in everything but again I’m not a political party person anyway |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 13:44:41 GMT
Does everything come back to pro or anti-Isreal? Yes. Indeed, Israel should been slung out, supporting BDS, and Labour candidates should be deselected. what do you mean slung out? And which Labour candidates? Are you seriously suggesting that only those who think that the state of Israel should be abolished are fit to be Labour Party candidates? If so thank goodness you are no longer in the Labour Party. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 13:49:26 GMT
Yes. Indeed, Israel should been slung out, supporting BDS, and Labour candidates should be deselected. what do you mean slung out? And which Labour candidates? Are you seriously suggesting that only those who think that the state of Israel should be abolished are fit to be Labour Party candidates? If so thank goodness you are no longer in the Labour Party. Yes. The lot. I am not a Labour member. You didn't vote next time, whereas I did, but won't be voting next time. I left in 2020. |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on May 30, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
OK thanks. Well that is against international law, and against Labour Party policy. I have never heard any other member of the Labour Party espouse this policy, hence my request. The question, then, is whether such an opinion should bar a person from being a Labour candidate. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 30, 2024 13:59:03 GMT
Please show me where he tweeted support for illegal settlements being formally incorporated into Israel. That would not be in accordance with what I previously have known about his views. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist per se, but I reject the notion that Israel is invariably right & its opponents always wrong, and always have done. (I should add that I am strongly opposed to the settlements being accepted into Israel.) Of course it would be useful to see this comment within the context of the thread/conversation, but, unfortunately, Akehurst has deleted over 1,000 tweets over the last day or so. I mean, it's patently ridiculous that Jews living in places like Bethlehem could be described as illegal in the first instance, but the context is right there - he's suggesting a trade of land for land. |
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 14:05:54 GMT
what do you mean slung out? And which Labour candidates? Are you seriously suggesting that only those who think that the state of Israel should be abolished are fit to be Labour Party candidates? If so thank goodness you are no longer in the Labour Party. Yes. The lot. I am not a Labour member. You didn't vote next time, whereas I did, but won't be voting next time. I left in 2020. That's totally ridiculous and Jeremy Corbyn never even hinted that he would ever support such a policy or practice. Please don't ever rejoin. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 14:12:59 GMT
Yes. The lot. I am not a Labour member. You didn't vote next time, whereas I did, but won't be voting next time. I left in 2020. That's totally ridiculous and Jeremy Corbyn never even hinted that he would ever support such a policy or practice. Please don't ever rejoin. I might again rejoin, but Labour will be totally different. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 30, 2024 15:27:58 GMT
Much unlike Starmer and most of the centre/centre-left faction of the PLP, the way that Akehurst behaves is often rather confrontational and unprofessional. Too much of a liability that I don't think he'll be helpful for Starmer despite being being closely aligned policy-wise. Akehurst is a proper Right-Winger (not right-winger and not centre/centre-left) in a way that Starmer isn't. Akehurst's guiding passion is fighting the left, but that isn't quite the same thing as being on the right of the party - indeed, he endorsed Ed Miliband in 2010. He is relentlessly confrontational, but on the rare occasions when he's talking about domestic policy he is pretty mainstream in Labour terms. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 30, 2024 15:41:53 GMT
An important thing to remember about Akehurst is that he was obviously on track for a parliamentary career (senior councillor in Hackney, a couple of tilts at unwinnable constituencies in General Elections etc) until his medical emergency and lengthy recovery. Someone who gets back on track (even if via a very different route) is by definition an unusual person and not a cardboard cut-out, whether positive or negative.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 30, 2024 15:44:44 GMT
Plenty of people advocating a two state solution have suggested some level of land swaps and it is just sheer fantasy at this point to think that every Israeli settlement in the West Bank is going to be uprooted.
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