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Post by norflondon on Jun 3, 2024 10:22:33 GMT
It's not just a question of cronyism.
The official Labour rulebook, states: “Neither the principles of natural justice nor the provisions of fairness … shall apply to the termination of party membership.” This is unacceptable in what claims to be a democratic party. It's self legislated omnipotence allows it to terminate membership at its absolute discretion, and there is no right to natural justice or fairness in the process.
I'm not sure how this is not a breach of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
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Post by islington on Jun 3, 2024 10:36:28 GMT
It's not just a question of cronyism. The official Labour rulebook, states: “Neither the principles of natural justice nor the provisions of fairness … shall apply to the termination of party membership.” This is unacceptable in what claims to be a democratic party. It's self legislated omnipotence allows it to terminate membership at its absolute discretion, and there is no right to natural justice or fairness in the process. I'm not sure how this is not a breach of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Er ... Because the Labour Party is not a public body? |
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Post by wysall on Jun 3, 2024 22:47:33 GMT
Pallywood comes to Britain I, for one, would wholeheartedly believe anything an account posting videos of 'Captain Tom' speaking from heaven says. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 4, 2024 1:16:23 GMT
Was going to refer to that video as an "obvious deepfake" but on reflection, a much better term for such a poor quality attempt at subversion should be called a shallowfake.
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Post by carolus on Jun 7, 2024 16:11:20 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 7, 2024 17:33:01 GMT
The 'withdrawn Independent' being the notorious David Lindsay. His antecedents are left as an exercise for the reader.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 4:31:46 GMT
Likud gain?
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Post by batman on Jun 26, 2024 7:45:52 GMT
No. If Luke Akehurst were an Israeli he would not vote for Likud. However, he is not sufficiently critical of Likud for my liking. (Sorry Ronald.)
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 26, 2024 14:54:46 GMT
Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. The Romans owned/occupied Britain at the time so it was on Roman lands. Also being pedantic the Israelites were not Jews when Bethlehem was first built. They wouldn't be monotheists for another half millenium and Judaism would not exist for a few hundred years after that. It's not entirely clear when Bethlehem was originally built. There's one reference to a place that could be Bethlehem in the Armana letters - which predate the existence of Israelite culture by a century, but this identification is disputed. Though you are correct that the Israelites weren't called Jews until the period of the Babylonian exile.
There is a lot of dispute about when the Israelites/Jews first became monotheistic. Many scholars claim that this didn't happen until either the reign of King Josiah or the Babylonian exile, whilst others think the Biblical texts are correct in saying that ancient Israelite culture was always an ongoing struggle between the monotheistic YHWH cult and the polytheistic cults of the Canaanites. The archaeological evidence is consistent with both theories. And it makes no sense at all to say that Judaism didn't exist for a few hundred years after the Israelites/Jews became monotheistic. Even if you say that monotheism was a later development, Judaism is clearly a continuation of the earlier YHWH cult.
Who said that? Chester was built by the Romans, on British land. Bethlehem was built by the Jews, on Jewish land. They are not the same. What happened to the Canaanites? Many of them were integrated into the Israelites. The rest lost their cultural identity either by moving away from the region or as a result of the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 4:28:30 GMT
Full result
LAB 39.8% (-4.4)
RFM 25.7%
CON 15.6% (-18.8)
LDEM 10.1% (+3.7)
GRN 5.7% (+3.1)
WPB 2.2%
SDP 0.8%
CON + RFM = 41.3%.
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Post by YL on Jul 10, 2024 6:53:31 GMT
Full resultLAB 39.8% (-4.4)RFM 25.7% CON 15.6% (-18.8) LDEM 10.1% (+3.7) GRN 5.7% (+3.1) WPB 2.2% SDP 0.8% CON + RFM = 41.3%. I think that is the worst result for Labour in the North East barring two Newcastle seats and Middlesbrough & Thornaby East, and those would fit more into the pattern of where Labour's vote share went down. |
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Post by batman on Jul 10, 2024 7:00:17 GMT
I'm sure a lot of that was because of candidate selection. Most North-Eastern seats have more locally-born or bred Labour MPs & ones with less controversial views on certain topics (well, Israel, his views on other matters aren't particularly controversial, they're just standard Labour Right). He will have to work hard to gain the trust of his constituents. It is still hard to see a meaningful challenge against him & Labour here though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 7:48:37 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 10, 2024 7:54:41 GMT
I'm sure a lot of that was because of candidate selection. Most North-Eastern seats have more locally-born or bred Labour MPs & ones with less controversial views on certain topics (well, Israel, his views on other matters aren't particularly controversial, they're just standard Labour Right). He will have to work hard to gain the trust of his constituents. It is still hard to see a meaningful challenge against him & Labour here though. It fits in with the wider pattern of mild underperformance from the candidates imposed at the final stage: I suspect a lot of it basically boils down to [address in city very much not near here]. So long as the MPs in question do their constituency work the effect will fade, as it usually does. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 10, 2024 7:55:56 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so. I realize that you do not quite inhabit the same reality as the rest of us, but the election was last Thursday so it is a little late and she would have lost her deposit if she had run. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 10, 2024 8:00:27 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so. I realize that you do not quite inhabit the same reality as the rest of us, but the election was last Thursday so it is a little late and she would have lost her deposit if she had run. up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 10, 2024 8:05:28 GMT
up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well It does rather depend on the independent, doesn't it. She's still about as popular in the region as Covid, though people do at least take Covid seriously. |
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Post by aslaw on Jul 10, 2024 8:06:18 GMT
The thing is this seat was basically 40 Labour 25 Reform 15 Tory. I think you would need an independent like Laura Pidcock to stand and am encouraging her to do so. Why do people presume that the Reform vote automatically came from the Tory ranks. Sense there are significant numbers from other Parties. |
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Post by Ports on Jul 10, 2024 8:12:42 GMT
up until the election I might have agreed with you but independent candidates did very well. Has there ever been an election where independent candidates have done so well It does rather depend on the independent, doesn't it. She's still about as popular in the region as Covid, though people do at least take Covid seriously. Not least because there is very little overlap between this seat and her previous one. She might have even done better in Cramlington (though still very poorly I think). |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 10, 2024 8:23:33 GMT
I'm sure a lot of that was because of candidate selection. Most North-Eastern seats have more locally-born or bred Labour MPs & ones with less controversial views on certain topics (well, Israel, his views on other matters aren't particularly controversial, they're just standard Labour Right). He will have to work hard to gain the trust of his constituents. It is still hard to see a meaningful challenge against him & Labour here though. It fits in with the wider pattern of mild underperformance from the candidates imposed at the final stage: I suspect a lot of it basically boils down to [address in city very much not near here]. So long as the MPs in question do their constituency work the effect will fade, as it usually does. Occurs to me that we actually have a good control sample in the case of Smethwick: Josan was a late imposed candidate but is a local. His vote fell by 9pts on the notionals, which fits with wider patterns given constituency demographics (esp. given the known competing minority phenomenon) but is no worse than might otherwise have been expected. |
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