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Post by stb12 on Jul 8, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
“There was some vicious stuff going on between their campaigns,” says Duncan Smith. “On one hustings I had to sit between them to keep them apart.” Considering IDS’s reputation amongst the left it’s quite something that he had to play peacemaker |
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Post by rcronald on Jul 8, 2024 7:53:28 GMT
“There was some vicious stuff going on between their campaigns,” says Duncan Smith. “On one hustings I had to sit between them to keep them apart.” Considering IDS’s reputation amongst the left it’s quite something that he had to play peacemaker It also seems like Shaheen got a decent amount of sympathy votes, and Labour replacing her with a non-local also helped her. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 7:53:48 GMT
Good article, but I still think IDS wold have won this by about 1% because Faiza's voters would've gone largely to the Greens, or stayed at home, if she hadn't stood. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 8, 2024 8:04:57 GMT
Good article, but I still think IDS wold have won this by about 1% because Faiza's voters would've gone largely to the Greens, or stayed at home, if she hadn't stood. The perfect split actually saw him increase his majority by quite a bit so he could maybe have still held on with the split a bit less heavy or due to further lack of turnout I certainly underestimated the impact that Shaheen’s deselection could have, but from the Labour leadership’s point of view it’s probably worth it if they felt she’d be a problem as the seat clearly wasn’t required for them to win a majority. The only thing missed out on was the scalp but IDS hasn’t been in government for over 8 years now so it’s questionable how significant that even would be now |
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Post by certain on Jul 8, 2024 9:22:27 GMT
On the standard list of Labour targets, C & WG is number 10. Keighley & Ilkley, also Tory held, is number 15. Apart from Ashfield & three Plaid seats, every other one down to, but not including, number 94, Harrow East, was gained by Labour. On this basis, without Faiza's deselection IDS would very likely have lost. Much as I have not liked her Corbynism, I cannot approve of her deselection.
The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 8, 2024 9:46:05 GMT
On the standard list of Labour targets, C & WG is number 10. Keighley & Ilkley, also Tory held, is number 15. Apart from Ashfield & three Plaid seats, every other one down to, but not including, number 94, Harrow East, was gained by Labour. On this basis, without Faiza's deselection IDS would very likely have lost. Much as I have not liked her Corbynism, I cannot approve of her deselection. The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that! That was very close too. Labour wouldn't have won it on your boundaries (nor indeed on those in force prior to this election) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 8, 2024 9:52:34 GMT
On the standard list of Labour targets, C & WG is number 10. Keighley & Ilkley, also Tory held, is number 15. Apart from Ashfield & three Plaid seats, every other one down to, but not including, number 94, Harrow East, was gained by Labour. On this basis, without Faiza's deselection IDS would very likely have lost. Much as I have not liked her Corbynism, I cannot approve of her deselection. The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that! Talking of old boundaries, the notional result on yours/Lord Tebbit's old boundaries would have been fun | Con | 11853 | 31.8% | | Lab | 10754 | 28.8% | | Ind | 8964 | 24.0% | | Ref | 2530 | 6.8% | | Grn | 2104 | 5.6% | | LD | 842 | 2.3% | | WP | 175 | 0.5% | | TUSC | 64 | 0.2% |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 8, 2024 10:00:59 GMT
On the standard list of Labour targets, C & WG is number 10. Keighley & Ilkley, also Tory held, is number 15. Apart from Ashfield & three Plaid seats, every other one down to, but not including, number 94, Harrow East, was gained by Labour. On this basis, without Faiza's deselection IDS would very likely have lost. Much as I have not liked her Corbynism, I cannot approve of her deselection. The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that! It’s worth saying that she publicly accepted that she’d been foolish. I presume she hoped that an apology and a promise to be more careful about social media activity would do the trick. In a key, high profile marginal in the run up to a general election that wasn’t realistic. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 8, 2024 10:22:29 GMT
The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that! My Westminster colleague Cllr Paul Dimoldenberg, who also stood as Labour candidate there in its South West Bedfordshire days (1987), was also over the moon to see it's finally got a Labour MP. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 11, 2024 20:05:59 GMT
On the standard list of Labour targets, C & WG is number 10. Keighley & Ilkley, also Tory held, is number 15. Apart from Ashfield & three Plaid seats, every other one down to, but not including, number 94, Harrow East, was gained by Labour. On this basis, without Faiza's deselection IDS would very likely have lost. Much as I have not liked her Corbynism, I cannot approve of her deselection. The other seat where I was Labour candidate long ago, Dunstable & Leighton Buzzard, number 188, was gained. So I raised a special cheer to that! It’s worth saying that she publicly accepted that she’d been foolish. I presume she hoped that an apology and a promise to be more careful about social media activity would do the trick. In a key, high profile marginal in the run up to a general election that wasn’t realistic. The look of almost violent disgust on her face towards the Labour candidate during the declaration, added to her online targeting of blameless Labour canvassers, made me reassess my sympathy for her. She went from avid support of Kier Starmer to attacking the whole Labour offer, which is understandable though ridiculous, and she revealed herself to be a remarkably entitled individual. The fact that I was sanguine about the appalling IDS winning whilst she came third, shows how much I shifted my opinion about her during the campaign. |
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Post by redtony on Jul 11, 2024 20:23:53 GMT
she and the labour leadership managed to ensure Chingford stayed Tory
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 11, 2024 20:33:49 GMT
Could I suggest that given she's been the candidate for a fair bit of time it's poor that the investigation and suspension of her candidacy took place during the campaign.
Politics and opinions of her conduct after the suspension of her candidacy aside, this was poorly handled
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 11, 2024 20:37:47 GMT
It’s worth saying that she publicly accepted that she’d been foolish. I presume she hoped that an apology and a promise to be more careful about social media activity would do the trick. In a key, high profile marginal in the run up to a general election that wasn’t realistic. The look of almost violent disgust on her face towards the Labour candidate during the declaration, added to her online targeting of blameless Labour canvassers, made me reassess my sympathy for her. She went from avid support of Kier Starmer to attacking the whole Labour offer, which is understandable though ridiculous, and she revealed herself to be a remarkably entitled individual. The fact that I was sanguine that the appalling IDS winning whilst she came third, shows how much I shifted my opinion about her during the campaign. Her head was swivelling so much at one point I though it might fall off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 22:22:48 GMT
Could I suggest that given she's been the candidate for a fair bit of time it's poor that the investigation and suspension of her candidacy took place during the campaign. Politics and opinions of her conduct after the suspension of her candidacy aside, this was poorly handled Yes, this is the complication. Whilst her subsequent behaviour proved that deselecting her was the right decision, it was definitely not done in the right way and probably not for the right reasons |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 11, 2024 22:36:47 GMT
Could I suggest that given she's been the candidate for a fair bit of time it's poor that the investigation and suspension of her candidacy took place during the campaign. Politics and opinions of her conduct after the suspension of her candidacy aside, this was poorly handled Yes, this is the complication. Whilst her subsequent behaviour proved that deselecting her was the right decision, it was definitely not done in the right way and probably not for the right reasons Although the aftermath would probably make the Labour hierarchy feel vindicated |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 12, 2024 6:07:06 GMT
Yes, this is the complication. Whilst her subsequent behaviour proved that deselecting her was the right decision, it was definitely not done in the right way and probably not for the right reasons Although the aftermath would probably make the Labour hierarchy feel vindicated I'd say the opposite, to me that further begs the question why the party took so long to investigate and suspend her candidacy |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 20, 2024 21:59:55 GMT
Faiza is a tory enabling narcissist nothing more, nothing less. I was shouting at the television when Chingford was declared
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Post by redtony on Jul 21, 2024 20:28:02 GMT
yes but the Labour Leadership was Equally to blame for ousting her as their candidate after the election had been called
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jul 21, 2024 21:19:35 GMT
yes but the Labour Leadership was Equally to blame for ousting her as their candidate after the election had been called Yes, the only criticism of the Labour leadership is that they should've ousted her sooner, but she only became a problem post 6/10. Or they should've blocked her off the shortlist to begin with. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 21, 2024 21:40:54 GMT
yes but the Labour Leadership was Equally to blame for ousting her as their candidate after the election had been called Yes, the only criticism of the Labour leadership is that they should've ousted her sooner, but she only became a problem post 6/10. Or they should've blocked her off the shortlist to begin with. this was a common problem in the run up to the general. In seats where the incumbent or the existing candidate was replaced it was done during the short campaign. It gives the impression of running from the fight |
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