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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 8:47:12 GMT
In 2021, Tower Hamlets Council voted to support the following motion:
"This council resolves that Tower Hamlets council investigates whether roads or possibly new buildings near the location of the proposed Chinese embassy could be renamed appropriately as acts of solidarity with historic symbols or placenames of Chinese significance; for example Tiananmen Square, Tibet Hill, Uyghur Court, Hong Kong Road and/or Xiaobo Road (in memory of Liu Xiaobo)."
It is an issue which has salience among plenty of British Muslims, who are not as one-dimensional as many on this forum seem to believe. It is true that the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are willing to turn a blind eye in return for close ties with China, although (and I only mention this for context rather than justification) this relates more to economic reasons rather than Israel/Palestine.
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Post by right on Jul 6, 2024 13:16:13 GMT
In 2021, Tower Hamlets Council voted to support the following motion: "This council resolves that Tower Hamlets council investigates whether roads or possibly new buildings near the location of the proposed Chinese embassy could be renamed appropriately as acts of solidarity with historic symbols or placenames of Chinese significance; for example Tiananmen Square, Tibet Hill, Uyghur Court, Hong Kong Road and/or Xiaobo Road (in memory of Liu Xiaobo)." It is an issue which has salience among plenty of British Muslims, who are not as one-dimensional as many on this forum seem to believe. It is true that the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are willing to turn a blind eye in return for close ties with China, although (and I only mention this for context rather than justification) this relates more to economic reasons rather than Israel/Palestine. It would be interesting if China hawks like IDS could build on this with the Gaza independents. I suspect that these guys, if they don't crash and burn, could have an outsize influence on a lot of foreign policy areas. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 6, 2024 14:00:55 GMT
British Muslims talking about and being active on Palestine rather more than Chinese treatment of foreign muslims ought not to be a surprise. Amongst other reasons,Britain of course had a big hand in the creation of the state of Israel. Britain's Balfour's declaration encouraged Zionism and 'without which the Jewish state could never have come into existence'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 16:03:02 GMT
What do you see on TV everyday? Is it Rohingya, Wuighurs, Huthis? Probably not. You hear about Gaza. Call it recency bias, but you can see why it's issue No. 1.
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Post by certain on Jul 6, 2024 23:27:35 GMT
Labour did better than average here in both 2017 and 2019, don't forget. Talking of which, I do wonder why we didn't stand our 2017 candidate again once Shaheen was excluded. Or the October 1974 candidate. but for some reason I wasn't asked! |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 7, 2024 8:22:16 GMT
Assuming IDS continues until 2028, Chingford will have only had two MPs in 58 years. In this age of considerable political instability that is somewhat unusual.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 7, 2024 8:56:08 GMT
Complicated by changes in seat area and name. Islington N which has not a change of name but has had ofc boundary change, is up there on 55 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 9:00:03 GMT
Complicated by changes in seat area and name. Islington N which has not a change of name but has had ofc boundary change, is up there on 55 years. Manchester Ardwick / Manchester Gorton. Two MPs since 1970. Louth and Horncastle / East Lindsey / Horncastle. Two MPs since 1966. Gainsborough. Two MPs since 1956. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 7, 2024 9:07:25 GMT
Assuming IDS continues until 2028, Chingford will have only had two MPs in 58 years. In this age of considerable political instability that is somewhat unusual. Unusual as well because that's 58 years of being represented by household names. |
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Post by hengog on Jul 7, 2024 10:07:33 GMT
In 2021, Tower Hamlets Council voted to support the following motion: "This council resolves that Tower Hamlets council investigates whether roads or possibly new buildings near the location of the proposed Chinese embassy could be renamed appropriately as acts of solidarity with historic symbols or placenames of Chinese significance; for example Tiananmen Square, Tibet Hill, Uyghur Court, Hong Kong Road and/or Xiaobo Road (in memory of Liu Xiaobo)." It is an issue which has salience among plenty of British Muslims, who are not as one-dimensional as many on this forum seem to believe. It is true that the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are willing to turn a blind eye in return for close ties with China, although (and I only mention this for context rather than justification) this relates more to economic reasons rather than Israel/Palestine. It would be interesting if China hawks like IDS could build on this with the Gaza independents. I suspect that these guys, if they don't crash and burn, could have an outsize influence on a lot of foreign policy areas. I think this is one of the issues which poses the greatest difficulties for Starmer without doubt. His “ broad but thin” victory depended to a considerable extent on Conservative voters staying at home or voting for his or other parties , reassured in the impression that the far left was neutralised, if not totally extinguished, and that a Labour administration would not be over influenced by their remnants (among either the membership or any survivors in the Commons), or indeed by Islamists and their sympathisers. In achieving this , together with his commitments regarding taxes, he disabled any efforts by the Tories to run a ‘ scare ‘ campaign which might have persuaded voters to hold their noses and vote for them despite their record in government. I know from discussions among my own acquaintance - by no means unquestioning friends of Israel themselves - how his line on Israel impressed the most sceptical regarding him. Most Labour supporters probably would have preferred comfortable fudge and hypocrisy- calling for the impossible and carefully avoiding giving offence to the more numerous among their supporters , however disconcertingly violent and racist their attitudes. Many I’m sure, would hope to trim , now in government -to seek to mollify rather than challenge the Hamas supporting elements within the ‘ Muslim community’ . This election has made it much harder to continue to pretend that Islamists are somehow a small unrepresentative group among that community. The Gaza question may have illustrated this most starkly but is I believe , just that- an illustration of a wider and deeper reality. I doubt it will be possible to do what many will want- to ‘ reach out ‘ and ‘rebuild trust‘ with them, while hoping to retain that of the wider community. That , if nothing else, is the territory on which Reform will now be focussing, and exploiting. |
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Post by arnieg on Jul 7, 2024 10:20:19 GMT
Assuming IDS continues until 2028, Chingford will have only had two MPs in 58 years. In this age of considerable political instability that is somewhat unusual. Wokingham had William von Straubenzee [1959-87] followed by John Redwood [1987-2024]. That's 65 years. If Clive Jones lasts that long he'll be in his nineties! |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 7, 2024 10:25:26 GMT
Gainsborough has had Harry Crookshank (1924-56), Marcus Kimball (1956-83), Edward Leigh (1983-present). 3 MPs in a century must be the record!
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 7, 2024 10:35:04 GMT
Assuming IDS continues until 2028, Chingford will have only had two MPs in 58 years. In this age of considerable political instability that is somewhat unusual. Wokingham had William von Straubenzee [1959-87] followed by John Redwood [1987-2024]. That's 65 years. If Clive Jones lasts that long he'll be in his nineties! However, Sir William van Straubenzee is the most 'wet' centrist Tory MP, he started the Lollards group John Redwood is the opposite! |
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Post by mboy on Jul 7, 2024 10:54:32 GMT
I think this is one of the issues which poses the greatest difficulties for Starmer without doubt. His “ broad but thin” victory depended to a considerable extent on Conservative voters staying at home or voting for his or other parties , reassured in the impression that the far left was neutralised, if not totally extinguished, and that a Labour administration would not be over influenced by their remnants (among either the membership or any survivors in the Commons), or indeed by Islamists and their sympathisers. In achieving this , together with his commitments regarding taxes, he disabled any efforts by the Tories to run a ‘ scare ‘ campaign which might have persuaded voters to hold their noses and vote for them despite their record in government. I know from discussions among my own acquaintance - by no means unquestioning friends of Israel themselves - how his line on Israel impressed the most sceptical regarding him. Most Labour supporters probably would have preferred comfortable fudge and hypocrisy- calling for the impossible and carefully avoiding giving offence to the more numerous among their supporters , however disconcertingly violent and racist their attitudes. Many I’m sure, would hope to trim , now in government -to seek to mollify rather than challenge the Hamas supporting elements within the ‘ Muslim community’ . This election has made it much harder to continue to pretend that Islamists are somehow a small unrepresentative group among that community. The Gaza question may have illustrated this most starkly but is I believe , just that- an illustration of a wider and deeper reality. I doubt it will be possible to do what many will want- to ‘ reach out ‘ and ‘rebuild trust‘ with them, while hoping to retain that of the wider community. That , if nothing else, is the territory on which Reform will now be focussing, and exploiting. A really excellent post, even if posted twice  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 10:59:08 GMT
Gainsborough has had Harry Crookshank (1924-56), Marcus Kimball (1956-83), Edward Leigh (1983-present). 3 MPs in a century must be the record! Yes, and Leigh is almost 20 years younger than Skinner so might do another term or two. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 8, 2024 2:45:57 GMT
After tallying up everything, i see this seat turned out to be my most profitable constituency bets. I got IDS at 9/2 a few minutes after Shaheen declared (I was following her closely on X).
Rather fun to look back and see the many posters stating confidently she'd lose deposit, & how it's ridiculous to think she could get enough to let in IDS...etc
A demonstration perhaps of what we want to happen seriously prejudices our thoughts and opinions - and I include myself when I say that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 2:50:40 GMT
After tallying up everything, i see this seat turned out to be my most profitable constituency bets. I got 9/2 a few minutes after Shaheen declared (I was following her closely on X). Rather fun to look back and see the many posters stating confidently she'd lose deposit, & how it's ridiculous to think she could get enough to let in IDS...etc A demonstration perhaps of what we want to happen seriously prejudices our thoughts and opinions - and I include myself when I say that! Wise. I made squid from Dewsbury & Batley, and Harrow East, but missed out on making packet on Bradford West, and Ilford North. IDS deserved his win. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 8, 2024 3:01:41 GMT
Harrow E? Well done, I was seriously wrong there & it dented my overall profit figures.
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Post by rcronald on Jul 8, 2024 7:08:57 GMT
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Post by towerhamlets on Jul 8, 2024 7:15:18 GMT
Sample size of 1 - the wife never talks about Chinese in Xinjiang, Myanmar or Saudi's recent attrocities in Yemen, but will talk about Gaza every single day without fail. While I happen to think that what’s happening in Xinjiang is being overblown by opponents of China, the fact that South Asian Muslims don’t seem to care at all about the ethnic cleansing (and perhaps genocide) of Muslims that is happening in Myanmar is rather appalling, especially when you realise the proximity to Bangladesh. I’m pretty sure that a lot (not all) of Muslims are just using Gaza as a justification for their hatred of Jews rather than actually caring about Muslims in Gaza.  |
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