ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Sept 3, 2024 7:42:15 GMT
I saw a very good video recently explaining how lower ranking employees (or officials) are subconsciously discouraged from doing anything creative or different for fear of being blamed if it goes wrong. So even if it’s likely to result in a better outcome, the fact there’s still a chance it might not means they won’t take the risk.
In this scenario no civil servant is going to get ridiculed for saying we should just combine the official names for the existing seats, because even though it’s suboptimal it’s the safe thing to do. If they started digging out names from Welsh mythology or inventing new ones they’d open themselves up to looking stupid.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 7:56:12 GMT
I saw a very good video recently explaining how lower ranking employees (or officials) are subconsciously discouraged from doing anything creative or different for fear of being blamed if it goes wrong. So even if it’s likely to result in a better outcome, the fact there’s still a chance it might not means they won’t take the risk. In this scenario no civil servant is going to get ridiculed for saying we should just combine the official names for the existing seats, because even though it’s suboptimal it’s the safe thing to do. If they started digging out names from Welsh mythology or inventing new ones they’d open themselves up to looking stupid. I recognise that from 9+ years doing the same job in the NHS, observing the many different supervisors and managers I've had, and the choices they make. It's very public service to play safe. However, with this specific case, names like Flintshire, Powys, Glamorgan, and Gwent are not new, so I think there's more chance of their acceptance than had we gone off to find something from antiquity. |
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 3, 2024 8:36:00 GMT
This is what the Welsh Green Party will be submitting
Monmouthshire + Newport East = Dyffryn yr Afon Wysg / The Usk Valley
Newport West and Islwyn + Caerphilly = Mynydd Machen and Mynydd y Grug / The Mountains of Machen and the Heather
Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney + Torfaen = Gwlad y Pwll Mawr / Big Pit Country
Alyn and Deeside + Wrexham = Y Mersydd (Cymraeg) / The (Welsh) Marches
Clwyd East + Clwyd North = Dyffryn Clwyd a Glan Arfordir Conwy / Vale of Clwyd and Conwy Coast
Cardiff East + Cardiff South = Gwastadeddau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Levels
Cardiff North + Cardiff West = Bryniau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Hills
Ceredigion Preseli + Mid and South Pembrokeshire = Bae Ceredigion a Glan Arfordir Penfro / Cardigan Bay and the Pembrokeshire Coast
Swansea West + Gower = Penrhyn Gŵyr / Gower Peninsula
Bridgend + Aberafan Maesteg = Cymoedd Llynfi-Afan / The Llynfi-Afan Valleys
Ynys Môn + Bangor Aberconwy = Ynys Môn ac Gogledd Eryri / Anglesey and Northern Snowdonia
Dwyfor Meirionnydd + Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr = De Eryri ac Sir Maldwyn / Southern Snowdonia and Montgomeryshire
Caerfyrddin + Llanelli = Sir Gaerfyrddin / Carmarthenshire
Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare + Rhondda and Ogmore = Cymoedd De Cymru / The South Wales Valleys
Vale of Glamorgan + Pontypridd = Ucheldir Morgannwg / The Glamorgan Uplands
Neath and Swansea East + Brecon, Radnor and Cwm-Tawe = Cwm Tawe a Bannau Brycheiniog / The Swansea Valley and the Brecon Brecons
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 8:43:35 GMT
"Mynydd Machen and Mynydd y Grug"
I'm in awe, honestly.
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Post by YL on Sept 3, 2024 9:10:07 GMT
How is the Vale of Glamorgan part of the Glamorgan Uplands?
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 3, 2024 9:18:57 GMT
I'm impressed that all the Welsh Green Party have managed to read the proposals, make their comments, and come to an agreed position all in the space of 10 hours!
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 3, 2024 9:25:19 GMT
And yet my reaction to them is Jesus Wept.
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Post by Yaffles on Sept 3, 2024 9:29:36 GMT
Probably about as good a job as could be done given the limited options. Only sore point for me is splitting Swansea. I don't see why they couldn't of used LAs as the starting point rather than the parliamentary constituencies.
Also agree on the Cardiff names surely just Cardiff North East and Cardiff South West & Penarth.
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Post by Penddu on Sept 3, 2024 9:43:16 GMT
I find the Brecon and Neath proposal ridiculous. It is driven entirely by the Cwmtawe appendage. If this didn't exist there is no way this would be considered. A far better solution would be to link Brecon with Caerfyrddin along the A40. This would result in a Llanelli & Gower constituency and a Swansea & Neath constituency which both work well. And I forgot to mention the obvious ties between the Cwmtawe area and Amman Valley. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 3, 2024 9:50:09 GMT
1. Menai Bridge
4. Wales North South (or Wales North Big)
5. Pig Snout
8. Radnor & Swansea East (or Neath & Knighton)
9. Rhondda & Port Talbot
14. Cardiff North East
15. Cardiff South West
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Post by Penddu on Sept 3, 2024 9:51:42 GMT
This is what the Welsh Green Party will be submitting Monmouthshire + Newport East = Dyffryn yr Afon Wysg / The Usk Valley Newport West and Islwyn + Caerphilly = Mynydd Machen and Mynydd y Grug / The Mountains of Machen and the Heather Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney + Torfaen = Gwlad y Pwll Mawr / Big Pit Country Alyn and Deeside + Wrexham = Y Mersydd (Cymraeg) / The (Welsh) Marches Clwyd East + Clwyd North = Dyffryn Clwyd a Glan Arfordir Conwy / Vale of Clwyd and Conwy Coast Cardiff East + Cardiff South = Gwastadeddau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Levels Cardiff North + Cardiff West = Bryniau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Hills Ceredigion Preseli + Mid and South Pembrokeshire = Bae Ceredigion a Glan Arfordir Penfro / Cardigan Bay and the Pembrokeshire Coast Swansea West + Gower = Penrhyn Gŵyr / Gower Peninsula Bridgend + Aberafan Maesteg = Cymoedd Llynfi-Afan / The Llynfi-Afan Valleys Ynys Môn + Bangor Aberconwy = Ynys Môn ac Gogledd Eryri / Anglesey and Northern Snowdonia Dwyfor Meirionnydd + Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr = De Eryri ac Sir Maldwyn / Southern Snowdonia and Montgomeryshire Caerfyrddin + Llanelli = Sir Gaerfyrddin / Carmarthenshire Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare + Rhondda and Ogmore = Cymoedd De Cymru / The South Wales Valleys Vale of Glamorgan + Pontypridd = Ucheldir Morgannwg / The Glamorgan Uplands Neath and Swansea East + Brecon, Radnor and Cwm-Tawe = Cwm Tawe a Bannau Brycheiniog / The Swansea Valley and the Brecon Brecons My gob is truly smacked.... |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 3, 2024 9:52:02 GMT
And yet my reaction to them is Jesus Wept. Is that your proposal for one of the names? They could all be named after Bible quotations, based on the factional theological allegiances of the local chapels. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 9:59:58 GMT
And yet my reaction to them is Jesus Wept. Is that your proposal for one of the names? They could all be named after Bible quotations, based on the factional theological allegiances of the local chapels. I really like this idea 😅 |
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Post by edgbaston on Sept 3, 2024 10:09:20 GMT
The Welsh have fortified their right to self government, intervene now. I really hope you mean "forfeited" here, although this stitch-up isn't the fault of 3+ million people. The proposed change might require the Senedd building to have to be fortified though. Yes it must have been autocorrect! But from the building to the political system to now this abomination of an electoral system (worst of all the boundaries and names), the whole things is utterly awful statecraft. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 3, 2024 12:10:11 GMT
This is what the Welsh Green Party will be submitting Monmouthshire + Newport East = Dyffryn yr Afon Wysg / The Usk Valley Newport West and Islwyn + Caerphilly = Mynydd Machen and Mynydd y Grug / The Mountains of Machen and the Heather Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney + Torfaen = Gwlad y Pwll Mawr / Big Pit Country Alyn and Deeside + Wrexham = Y Mersydd (Cymraeg) / The (Welsh) Marches Clwyd East + Clwyd North = Dyffryn Clwyd a Glan Arfordir Conwy / Vale of Clwyd and Conwy Coast Cardiff East + Cardiff South = Gwastadeddau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Levels Cardiff North + Cardiff West = Bryniau Caerdydd / The Cardiff Hills Ceredigion Preseli + Mid and South Pembrokeshire = Bae Ceredigion a Glan Arfordir Penfro / Cardigan Bay and the Pembrokeshire Coast Swansea West + Gower = Penrhyn Gŵyr / Gower Peninsula Bridgend + Aberafan Maesteg = Cymoedd Llynfi-Afan / The Llynfi-Afan Valleys Ynys Môn + Bangor Aberconwy = Ynys Môn ac Gogledd Eryri / Anglesey and Northern Snowdonia Dwyfor Meirionnydd + Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr = De Eryri ac Sir Maldwyn / Southern Snowdonia and Montgomeryshire Caerfyrddin + Llanelli = Sir Gaerfyrddin / Carmarthenshire Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare + Rhondda and Ogmore = Cymoedd De Cymru / The South Wales Valleys Vale of Glamorgan + Pontypridd = Ucheldir Morgannwg / The Glamorgan Uplands Neath and Swansea East + Brecon, Radnor and Cwm-Tawe = Cwm Tawe a Bannau Brycheiniog / The Swansea Valley and the Brecon Brecons Well, nice to see the Greens being a serious party ... Plenty to comment on there, but Vale of Glamorgan goes into a seat named Uplands? And Conwy Coast doesn't include ... Conwy? There also seem to be some deliberately and superfluously and excessively lengthy names. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 3, 2024 12:26:13 GMT
Plenty to comment on there, but Vale of Glamorgan goes into a seat named Uplands? And Conwy Coast doesn't include ... Conwy? There also seem to be some deliberately and superfluously and excessively lengthy names. The Sussex Downs are up (hills) despite being called “down”. To get to the uplands you have to start at the bottom, and go upwards. Their essential essence of being uplands depends on their being up from somewhere else. A bit like the Chasm of Clams. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 3, 2024 12:43:29 GMT
It's broadly speaking as sensible a map as the rules permit. Surprised they went for that option of the two options in the North. Pleased that they did Cardiff that way round (it really is so much nicer on the ground to put Llanishen and Cyncoed together).
For the names:
1) North West Wales
2) North Central Wales
3) North East Wales
4) Mid Wales North
5) Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion (name the more populous county first)
6) Carmarthenshire
7) Swansea and Gower (the West in the Westminster constituency name is overkill: Ipswich doesn't get called Ipswich South after wholly analogous treatment)
8) Mid Wales South
9) Mid Glamorgan (no-one cares about Lords Lieutenant or about an unloved county council that has now been abolished for longer than it existed; if it's really that bothersome to small minds, sack all the Lords Lieutenant and appoint one per constituency instead)
10) East Glamorgan
11) West Gwent (agree with YL)
12) East Gwent
13) Newport (sod Mynyddislwyn)
14) Cardiff North East (agree again with YL)
15) Cardiff South West
16) South Glamorgan
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Post by nyx on Sept 3, 2024 14:05:47 GMT
For names I'd be inclined towards
1) Môn Aberconwy
2) Mid Clwyd
3) Wrexham and Deeside
4) Eryri Maldwyn (or alternatively Mid Wales)
5) Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire (commission is fine here)
6) Carmarthenshire (again no change)
7) Swansea
8) Neath, Brecon, and Radnorshire
9) Western Valleys
10) Central Valleys
11) Eastern Valleys
12) Monmouthshire
13) Newport
14) Cardiff Northeast
15) Cardiff Southwest
16) South Glamorgan
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 3, 2024 14:05:51 GMT
For the names I'd go with
1. Gogledd Gwynedd ac Ynys Môn / Gwynedd North and Anglesey
2. Dinbych / Denbigh
3. Fflint a Wrecsam / Flint and Wrexham
4. De Gwynedd a Maldwyn / Gwynedd South and Montgomery
5. Ceredigion a Sir Benfro / Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire (agree with Commission)
6. Sir Gaerfyrddin / Carmarthenshire (agree with Commission)
7. Abertawe / Swansea
8. Aberhonddu, Maesyfed a Chastell-nedd / Brecon, Radnor and Neath
9. Gorllewin Cymoedd / Valleys West
10. Canol Cymoedd / Valleys Central
11. Dwyrain Cymoedd / Valleys East
12. Gwent
13. Casnewydd / Newport
14. Gogledd Ddwyrain Caerdydd / Cardiff North East
15. De Orllewin Caerdydd / Cardiff South West
16. Pen-y-bont a Bro / Bridgend and Vale
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Post by Penddu on Sept 3, 2024 15:39:27 GMT
Considering that one of the criteria is good transport links I can only assume that nobody on the commission has ever driven from Port Talbot to Rhondda... The drive through Afan Valley over the Bwlch is very scenic......but not what you would call commutable!
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