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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 2, 2024 15:30:56 GMT
Think my final prediction is Monmouthshire+Torfaen Newport East+West Blaenau Gwent+Merthyr Caerphilly+Pontypridd Cardiff E+N Cardiff S+W Vale+Bridgend Rhondda+Aberafan Neath+Brecon Swansea W+Gower Llanelli+Carmarthen Pembrokeshire+Ceredigion Montgomeryshire+Wrexham Clwyd East+Alyn and Deeside Clwyd North+Aberconwy Ynys Mon+Meirionydd A thought occurs. Will they create monolingual names or bilingual ones? They could be longer than Canadian ridings! |
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 2, 2024 15:39:50 GMT
What's the Welsh for "bits left over"?
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john07
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Post by john07 on Sept 2, 2024 15:44:14 GMT
What's the Welsh for "bits left over"? Ynys Mon? |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 2, 2024 16:01:01 GMT
What's the Welsh for "bits left over"? Powys |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 2, 2024 16:44:46 GMT
What's the Welsh for "bits left over"? Powys What's the Welsh for "bits left over"? Ynys Mon? *Bdum tish* |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 2, 2024 16:52:37 GMT
Think my final prediction is Monmouthshire+Torfaen Newport East+West Blaenau Gwent+Merthyr Caerphilly+Pontypridd Cardiff E+N Cardiff S+W Vale+Bridgend Rhondda+Aberafan Neath+Brecon Swansea W+Gower Llanelli+Carmarthen Pembrokeshire+Ceredigion Montgomeryshire+Wrexham Clwyd East+Alyn and Deeside Clwyd North+Aberconwy Ynys Mon+Meirionydd A thought occurs. Will they create monolingual names or bilingual ones? They could be longer than Canadian ridings! They have said that they will consider new simpler names rather than just lump existing ones together: 'Brecon, Radnorshire, Cwmtawe, Neath & Swansea East;Brycheiniog, Maesyfed, Cwmtawe, Nedd ac Abertawe Dwyrain' is a little bit of a mouthful... |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 2, 2024 16:57:41 GMT
A thought occurs. Will they create monolingual names or bilingual ones? They could be longer than Canadian ridings! They have said that they will consider new simpler names rather than just lump existing ones together: 'Brecon, Radnorshire, Cwmtawe, Neath & Swansea East;Brycheiniog, Maesyfed, Cwmtawe, Nedd ac Abertawe Dwyrain' is a little bit of a mouthful... 16 points of the compass? |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 2, 2024 17:20:20 GMT
A thought occurs. Will they create monolingual names or bilingual ones? They could be longer than Canadian ridings! They have said that they will consider new simpler names rather than just lump existing ones together: 'Brecon, Radnorshire, Cwmtawe, Neath & Swansea East;Brycheiniog, Maesyfed, Cwmtawe, Nedd ac Abertawe Dwyrain' is a little bit of a mouthful... North Wales North East North Wales West Mid Wales East Mid Wales South West South Wales Mid East South East Mid Wales Mid South Wales East |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 2, 2024 17:29:00 GMT
They have said that they will consider new simpler names rather than just lump existing ones together: 'Brecon, Radnorshire, Cwmtawe, Neath & Swansea East;Brycheiniog, Maesyfed, Cwmtawe, Nedd ac Abertawe Dwyrain' is a little bit of a mouthful... 16 points of the compass? I suspect some ancient names might suit. Deheubarth for example. |
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Post by nyx on Sept 2, 2024 23:01:47 GMT
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Post by ricmk on Sept 3, 2024 0:11:56 GMT
Oh my word the names:
Bangor Aberconwy Ynys Mon
Clwyd (surely some mistake with this one)
Alyn Deeside and Wrexham
Dwyfor Meirionnydd Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr
Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire
Carmarthenshire
Swansea West and Gower
Brecon Radnor Neath and Swansea East
Aberafan Maesteg Rhondda and Ogmore
Merthyr Tydfil Aberdare and Pontypridd
Blaneau Gwent Rhymney and Caerphilly
Monmouthshire and Torfaen
Newport and Islwyn
Cardiff East and North
Cardiff West South and Penarth
Vale of Glamorgan and Bridgend
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Post by edgbaston on Sept 3, 2024 0:23:08 GMT
The Welsh have forfeited their right to self government, intervene now.
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Post by Foggy on Sept 3, 2024 1:41:59 GMT
The Welsh have fortified their right to self government, intervene now. I really hope you mean "forfeited" here, although this stitch-up isn't the fault of 3+ million people. The proposed change might require the Senedd building to have to be fortified though. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 4:38:07 GMT
Those names are awful.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 6:00:24 GMT
I've sent off my alternative names. In my submission I've recommended they use the em dash (—) as I think happens in Canada.
Aberconwy—Ynys Môn
Clwyd
Flintshire East—Wrexham
South Gwynedd—North Powys
Ceredigion—Pembrokeshire
Carmarthenshire
Swansea West—Gower
South Powys—Neath
Mid Glamorgan
North Glamorgan
West Gwent
East Gwent
Newport—Islwyn
Cardiff North Eastern
Cardiff South Western
South Glamorgan
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Post by YL on Sept 3, 2024 6:13:56 GMT
Proposals and report. The link to the interactive map and consultation page won't be live until 10:30 this morning. So they've gone for the Bangor option for Ynys Môn. I think the other option works out better in the rest of North Wales, but I am not surprised they have made the decision that they have. The rest is much as I expected. As for the names: 1. Conwy Ynys Môn. Bangor has often not been mentioned in constituency names, and you would expect it to be in a constituency which covered those two places. 2. I'll go along with "Clwyd" for now, though it doesn't cover anything like all of the ceremonial county. 3. Wrexham & Deeside. 4. Ugh. I tentatively suggest Eryri Berwyn (Snowdonia & Berwyn) but I don't know how that would go down in southern Montgomeryshire. 5. The Commission's name is good. 6. The Commission's name is good. 7. I'd probably go along with the Commission's name. 8. Ugh again. How about naming it for some of its rivers: Tawe, Usk & Wye? 9. Not sure, maybe just "Aberafan Rhondda"? Or would "Central Glamorgan" be an awful name? I don't think Maesteg needs a name check; it was in an Ogmore constituency until the review. 10. I'll go with the rivers again: Taf Cynon. Or would that little south-western salient dislike that? 11. West Gwent? 12. The suggested name isn't that bad, or if West Gwent flies for 11 this could be East Gwent. 13. I'd probably go along with the Commission here. 14. No need for the "and": Cardiff North East. 15. Cardiff South West. 16. How about "Southern Glamorgan", not "South" as it doesn't match the ceremonial county. (NB I hadn't read doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️'s post before submitting this one. I note we have some common ground.)
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 3, 2024 6:28:28 GMT
I've sent off my alternative names. In my submission I've recommended they use the em dash (—) as I think happens in Canada. By 7am on the day they came out! Cricky you're keen. |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 3, 2024 6:36:58 GMT
I find the Brecon and Neath proposal ridiculous. It is driven entirely by the Cwmtawe appendage. If this didn't exist there is no way this would be considered.
A far better solution would be to link Brecon with Caerfyrddin along the A40.
This would result in a Llanelli & Gower constituency and a Swansea & Neath constituency which both work well.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 6:57:53 GMT
Proposals and report. The link to the interactive map and consultation page won't be live until 10:30 this morning. So they've gone for the Bangor option for Ynys Môn. I think the other option works out better in the rest of North Wales, but I am not surprised they have made the decision that they have. The rest is much as I expected. As for the names: 1. Conwy Ynys Môn. Bangor has often not been mentioned in constituency names, and you would expect it to be in a constituency which covered those two places. 2. I'll go along with "Clwyd" for now, though it doesn't cover anything like all of the ceremonial county. 3. Wrexham & Deeside. 4. Ugh. I tentatively suggest Eryri Berwyn (Snowdonia & Berwyn) but I don't know how that would go down in southern Montgomeryshire. 5. The Commission's name is good. 6. The Commission's name is good. 7. I'd probably go along with the Commission's name. 8. Ugh again. How about naming it for some of its rivers: Tawe, Usk & Wye? 9. Not sure, maybe just "Aberafan Rhondda"? Or would "Central Glamorgan" be an awful name? I don't think Maesteg needs a name check; it was in an Ogmore constituency until the review. 10. I'll go with the rivers again: Taf Cynon. Or would that little south-western salient dislike that? 11. West Gwent? 12. The suggested name isn't that bad, or if West Gwent flies for 11 this could be East Gwent. 13. I'd probably go along with the Commission here. 14. No need for the "and": Cardiff North East. 15. Cardiff South West. 16. How about "Southern Glamorgan", not "South" as it doesn't match the ceremonial county. (NB I hadn't read doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ 's post before submitting this one. I note we have some common ground.) I did consider rivers for the Valleys seats. If Wikipedia editors want to know why there's a spike in readership of the article on the former Taff-Ely district, that's why. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 3, 2024 6:58:23 GMT
I've sent off my alternative names. In my submission I've recommended they use the em dash (—) as I think happens in Canada. By 7am on the day they came out! Cricky you're keen. Keen is polite! |
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