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Post by carlton43 on Jan 13, 2017 13:05:53 GMT
Nuttall shouldn't stand IMO - UKIP are not in contention for the seat and are losing votes everywhere, whoever the candidate is, and the inevitable heavy defeat will damage Nuttall and the party more if he is the candidate. Nuttall coming 3rd or even 4th would be a disaster. There are two possible outcomes here - Labour hold (probably) and Lib Dem gain. Ignorant rubbish. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 13, 2017 13:06:22 GMT
UKIP are second here and the margin should be possible within the context of a by-election, if they cannot mount a proper effort here, then you have to question where they will make such an effort.
To use a crass Americanism, they have to go big or go home.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:07:11 GMT
Why do people think the Lib Dems will do well here given the large leave vote and terrible starting position.
Labour hold on 35% of the vote for me.
Intresting who will get the momentum for 2nd place.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 13, 2017 13:07:28 GMT
I can't see Stoke Central going Lib Dem. They don't have the base, and their main election-winning issues won't play.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 13, 2017 13:08:13 GMT
Been in both.There is also the Glebe near the train station which is owned by Joules Brewery . Any good, Mark? Arthur is bound to have been in if it is even remotely close to a train station I have been in the Glebe and the White Star many times. Not done many other pubs in Stoke. Last time I was in the area, we did a pub crawl of Newcastle-under-Lyme. Which was weird. |
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Post by right on Jan 13, 2017 13:09:49 GMT
This seat does of course have a non-negligible Asian population which to some extent mitigates against a huge swing away from Labour and/or towards UKIP. I don't know what the overall figure is for the constituency - it's not massive, but it's very substantial in the Hanley area in particular and not insignificant in Stoke itself (but very low in the council estates in the East of the constituency). Not surprisingly, the Hanley area is the strongest part of the seat for Labour nowadays. The population wsa 85% white in 2011 but of course when it comes to those who actually bother to vote the percentage is probably still above 90%. Is working class Asian turnout lower than white working class turnout? I always got the impression it was a bit higher, but I suppose it can vary widely from community to community. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 13, 2017 13:11:26 GMT
Any good, Mark? Arthur is bound to have been in if it is even remotely close to a train stationI have been in the Glebe and the White Star many times. Not done many other pubs in Stoke. Last time I was in the area, we did a pub crawl of Newcastle-under-Lyme. Which was weird. A bit off topic to say the least, but have you been in the Hatfield Arms opposite Hatfield station? (seems to go by the name The Great Northern these days) |
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Post by right on Jan 13, 2017 13:14:05 GMT
Why do people think the Lib Dems will do well here given the large leave vote and terrible starting position. A council by-election in Sunderland yesterday where the Libs won from fourth I suspect is the big reason for the high expectations . |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 13, 2017 13:15:13 GMT
Everyone who says Tristram Hunt didn't fit Stoke Central should note that his Labour predecessors were an Old Etonian playwright, a university lecturer, and a Czech-Jewish doctor. And Stoke South MPs included a Cambridge graduate TV producer. Yeah but leaving aside the argument that "things were different then" its the manner of his getting the seat that rankled with many (and still does) Its more that he was such a bloody clueless education spokesman. I thought - well, at least its a subject he knows something about - but he was hopeless. Hopeless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:16:49 GMT
Isn't the V&A directors job a "Prime Ministerial" appointment in that May rubberstamps the choice? Therefore would she have known before Corbyn that Hunt was going?
Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:18:46 GMT
Why do people think the Lib Dems will do well here given the large leave vote and terrible starting position. Labour hold on 35% of the vote for me. Intresting who will get the momentum for 2nd place. Tory gain. Lab 2nd. Ld's third. Ukip 4th. A tasty double with the Tories gaining Copeland...pile in ;-) |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 13, 2017 13:20:13 GMT
Quitting to become head of the V&A isn't a great look, though Labour will have the council to run against (never a bad thing in Stoke).
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 13, 2017 13:23:04 GMT
Any good, Mark? Arthur is bound to have been in if it is even remotely close to a train station I have been in the Glebe and the White Star many times. Not done many other pubs in Stoke. Last time I was in the area, we did a pub crawl of Newcastle-under-Lyme. Which was weird. The crawl? The pubs? Or the town? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 13, 2017 13:26:41 GMT
More Asian than any ward in Central, though, is one in Stoke South which elected a Tory councillor in 2015. Though even it is only like 27% Pakistani or so.
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Post by pl on Jan 13, 2017 13:33:26 GMT
Isn't the V&A directors job a "Prime Ministerial" appointment in that May rubberstamps the choice? Therefore would she have known before Corbyn that Hunt was going? Lol. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 13, 2017 13:36:27 GMT
Nuttall shouldn't stand IMO - UKIP are not in contention for the seat and are losing votes everywhere, whoever the candidate is, and the inevitable heavy defeat will damage Nuttall and the party more if he is the candidate. Nuttall coming 3rd or even 4th would be a disaster. Starting from a clear 2nd place, 5,000 behind a party that is currently experiencing historically low poll ratings for an opposition party, UKIP most definitely should be in contention. If they don't mount a strong challenge in a seat like this, what future is there for them? A clear second by 33 votes ... |
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Post by cibwr on Jan 13, 2017 13:40:02 GMT
Only been to Stoke Central once, in the early 1980s as a guest of the Potteries Lesbian and Gay Youth Group who hosted a Weekend Workshop for various UK local LGBT youth groups... shortly after the LGB centre that hosted the event was demolished (as were two gay pubs) to make way for a road improvement scheme, some how I never had any reason to go back.....
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 13, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
PS two words: "Chris Williamson" I'm hoping for Katie Ghose and a website showing the White Cliffs of Fenton. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 13, 2017 13:42:30 GMT
I have been in the Glebe and the White Star many times. Not done many other pubs in Stoke. Last time I was in the area, we did a pub crawl of Newcastle-under-Lyme. Which was weird. The crawl? The pubs? Or the town? The pubs to some extent (though pretty good). Definitely the town, and even more so the people. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 13, 2017 13:42:31 GMT
Only been to Stoke Central once, in the early 1980s as a guest of the Potteries Lesbian and Gay Youth Group who hosted a Weekend Workshop for various UK local LGBT youth groups... shortly after the LGB centre that hosted the event was demolished (as were two gay pubs) to make way for a road improvement scheme, some how I never had any reason to go back..... Yeah I know what you mean.. what's the point of visiting anywhere unless it's hosting an LGBT workshop? |
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