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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 14, 2018 16:40:52 GMT
The PS could come back. They aren't even the most unpleasant PS- their Belgian colleagues win that one hands down.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 14, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
The SFIO legacy won't ever die. But there's no reason why the party that carries it has to be one of the larger parties - this wasn't the case during the postwar decades for instance.
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Post by jamie on Sept 14, 2018 17:03:11 GMT
The centre-left (by French standards) could make a comeback. However, the corpse of the PS probably won't be the vehicle. They have 5% of people claiming to support them out of habit but by 2022 will have virtually no organisation left. The only thing really going for them is that despite starting as an ostentatiously left of centre politician, Macron has clearly decided he wants to govern from the centre-right, which leaves a vacuum between him and Melechon that is waiting, probably for a long while, to be filled.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 17:11:51 GMT
The centre-left (by French standards) could make a comeback. However, the corpse of the PS probably won't be the vehicle. They have 5% of people claiming to support them out of habit but by 2022 will have virtually no organisation left. The only thing really going for them is that despite starting as an ostentatiously left of centre politician, Macron has clearly decided he wants to govern from the centre-right, which leaves a vacuum between him and Melechon that is waiting, probably for a long while, to be filled. I agree. It's a bit like UKIP. There's clearly a few supporters but the organisation will almost cease to exist. Adults in Room gives quite an insight into Macron as Employment Minister and his influence in the EU. That gap will take a long time to fill i expect |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 14, 2018 17:34:33 GMT
The socialists were already in an awful position after (and clandestinely already before) WWII, when even the Radicals in the SW moved to PC, leaving them as a party of small CivilServants.
But this demonstrates, that socialism has never fit so well to a country lacking HeavyIndustry; rather a leftliberal "radicalism" (including de facto Mitterand) and an anarchism.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 14, 2018 18:38:12 GMT
The SFIO legacy won't ever die. But there's no reason why the party that carries it has to be one of the larger parties - this wasn't the case during the postwar decades for instance. There's an argument to be made that the PS was the SFIO plus a cult of personality for Mitterrand, with little else to bind it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 14, 2018 18:40:45 GMT
The centre-left (by French standards) could make a comeback. However, the corpse of the PS probably won't be the vehicle. They have 5% of people claiming to support them out of habit but by 2022 will have virtually no organisation left. The only thing really going for them is that despite starting as an ostentatiously left of centre politician, Macron has clearly decided he wants to govern from the centre-right, which leaves a vacuum between him and Melechon that is waiting, probably for a long while, to be filled. Ah, sinistrism! France's favourite. That said, Macron's brand of liberalism is normally associated with the centre in France. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 14, 2018 18:41:45 GMT
It's not just an argument, it's literally true. Though I guess it also incorporated a few people from smaller parties of the left, especially the PSU (often the better people - both morally and in terms of competence - as it happens: Rocard and so on).
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 15, 2018 9:25:09 GMT
It's not just an argument, it's literally true. Though I guess it also incorporated a few people from smaller parties of the left, especially the PSU (often the better people - both morally and in terms of competence - as it happens: Rocard and so on). Rocard...not sure the French Left has produced anyone of his stature for some time. To think that Mitterrand binned him for Cresson. |
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