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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 23, 2016 19:21:27 GMT
We have an ever growing thread about the French presidential election, so perhaps we ought to have one for the legislative elections (or the general election, if you will) scheduled to be held just a month later, on the 11th and 18th June. One thing I have noticed is the extreme rarity of opinion polling (for what opinion polls are worth these days) for these elections. There will almost certainly be a swing to the right, but there is a possibility the National Assembly could be hung (or is the term guillotined?) with the Front National holding the balance of power.How I wish French circonscriptions (constituencies) were given proper names instead of those god awful numbers! Imagine the uproar if we had Devon 1, Devon 2, Devon 3 et cetera. Does anyone know what restrictions there are, if any, to becoming a candidate in one of the circonscriptions? I would hazard a guess that they are considerably more relaxed than ours in the UK, given the large numbers of candidates who put their names forward. |
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Post by maxque on Nov 23, 2016 19:28:42 GMT
Does anyone know what restrictions there are, if any, to becoming a candidate in one of the circonscriptions? I would hazard a guess that they are considerably more relaxed than ours in the UK, given the large numbers of candidates who put their names forward. Just being on the electoral list and having a suppléant (which is also on the electoral list). The main limitation is than you have to provide your own ballots, which is considerable printing costs (but again, you're not forced to, you can just ask your supporters to print their own and bring them to the polling station, but that's unlikely to make you win). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 23, 2016 19:36:20 GMT
Does anyone know what restrictions there are, if any, to becoming a candidate in one of the circonscriptions? I would hazard a guess that they are considerably more relaxed than ours in the UK, given the large numbers of candidates who put their names forward. Just being on the electoral list and having a suppléant (which is also on the electoral list). The main limitation is than you have to provide your own ballots, which is considerable printing costs (but again, you're not forced to, you can just ask your supporters to print their own and bring them to the polling station, but that's unlikely to make you win). What ? So French voters are not given a ballot paper at the polling station with a list of candidates on it from which to select. They bring along a ballot paper provided by the candidate they wish to vote for? (or one they've printed themselves) That is truly a bizarre way of doing things if I've understood you correctly |
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Post by maxque on Nov 23, 2016 20:17:11 GMT
Just being on the electoral list and having a suppléant (which is also on the electoral list). The main limitation is than you have to provide your own ballots, which is considerable printing costs (but again, you're not forced to, you can just ask your supporters to print their own and bring them to the polling station, but that's unlikely to make you win). What ? So French voters are not given a ballot paper at the polling station with a list of candidates on it from which to select. They bring along a ballot paper provided by the candidate they wish to vote for? (or one they've printed themselves) That is truly a bizarre way of doing things if I've understood you correctly Every polling station has a table where parties can put their ballots (most parties print them and just deliver a stack of them at each polling station). Voters must go to the table, take at least 2 ballot papers (most take all of them), are given an envelope by the poll workers (after they signed the polling register) and go behind the curtain, where they put the ballot they want in the envelope and put the envelope in the transparent voting box. Yes, it's wierd and totally not ecological. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 23, 2016 20:19:26 GMT
Pretty much all French electoral procedures are bizarre, illogical and obviously from another century.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 23, 2016 20:23:20 GMT
Anyway there's no point in paying attention to any current polling for these because that's not how legislative elections in France work. What invariably happens is that the party of the victorious President wins the legislatives by a country mile as the electorate decides to give him the other half of his mandate (and so avoid dreaded 'cohabitation'). It's far too early to make any predictions, but I think it's reasonable to fear a repeat of 1993 at the moment. If that's so then the Left will probably hold up best where it faces FN opposition in the second round...
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 23, 2016 20:24:45 GMT
Note also that the current French constituency map is a blatant Right gerrymander. It actually backfired hilariously last time round and gave the Left a big majority, but things will look ugly if/when the tables are turned.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 23, 2016 20:26:36 GMT
How I wish French circonscriptions (constituencies) were given proper names instead of those god awful numbers! Imagine the uproar if we had Devon 1, Devon 2, Devon 3 et cetera. They are sometimes informally referred to (in e.g. Le Monde) by the largest town in the seat or by the urban cantons that make it up. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 23, 2016 20:32:02 GMT
Note also that the current French constituency map is a blatant Right gerrymander. It actually backfired hilariously last time round and gave the Left a big majority Another Tullymander, as they are known. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 23, 2016 20:46:41 GMT
Does anyone know what restrictions there are, if any, to becoming a candidate in one of the circonscriptions? I would hazard a guess that they are considerably more relaxed than ours in the UK, given the large numbers of candidates who put their names forward. Just being on the electoral list and having a suppléant (which is also on the electoral list). The main limitation is than you have to provide your own ballots, which is considerable printing costs (but again, you're not forced to, you can just ask your supporters to print their own and bring them to the polling station, but that's unlikely to make you win). Thank you for that answer. How strange! |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 13, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
If Macron does become President, there is a strong likelihood of him becoming the first to have to live with cohabitation since Chirac (1997-2002). It is a pity that opinion polling for the législatives is so rare.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 13, 2017 21:29:41 GMT
If MACRON really does win then the legislatives are going to be what is technically known as a clusterfuck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 21:54:42 GMT
What ? So French voters are not given a ballot paper at the polling station with a list of candidates on it from which to select. They bring along a ballot paper provided by the candidate they wish to vote for? (or one they've printed themselves) That is truly a bizarre way of doing things if I've understood you correctly Every polling station has a table where parties can put their ballots (most parties print them and just deliver a stack of them at each polling station). Voters must go to the table, take at least 2 ballot papers (most take all of them), are given an envelope by the poll workers (after they signed the polling register) and go behind the curtain, where they put the ballot they want in the envelope and put the envelope in the transparent voting box. Yes, it's wierd and totally not ecological. It's done like that in Argentina, except that if there are multiple contests on a single day, then parties will print all the candidates on a single piece of paper. If voters want to split their ticket, then they have to cut the ballot papers up with scissors in the polling booth. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 13, 2017 22:58:14 GMT
Every polling station has a table where parties can put their ballots (most parties print them and just deliver a stack of them at each polling station). Voters must go to the table, take at least 2 ballot papers (most take all of them), are given an envelope by the poll workers (after they signed the polling register) and go behind the curtain, where they put the ballot they want in the envelope and put the envelope in the transparent voting box. Yes, it's wierd and totally not ecological. What does the voter do with the ballot papers of all the candidates they don't want to vote for? |
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 13, 2017 23:44:59 GMT
How I wish French circonscriptions (constituencies) were given proper names instead of those god awful numbers! Imagine the uproar if we had Devon 1, Devon 2, Devon 3 et cetera. Except we'd of course have Exe 1, Exe 2, Exe 3 etc. |
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Post by Foggy on Feb 13, 2017 23:56:27 GMT
How I wish French circonscriptions (constituencies) were given proper names instead of those god awful numbers! Imagine the uproar if we had Devon 1, Devon 2, Devon 3 et cetera. Except we'd of course have Exe 1, Exe 2, Exe 3 etc. Yeah, Devon would sound like too much of an ' ancien régime' name (but would probably have been revived in the 1970s). |
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 14, 2017 0:08:20 GMT
Except we'd of course have Exe 1, Exe 2, Exe 3 etc. Yeah, Devon would sound like too much of an ' ancien régime' name (but would probably have been revived in the 1970s). Yes, but only until last year when it would have been absorbed into the 'Great West' comprising more or less the ancient provinces of Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, and Dorset. |
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Post by uhurasmazda on Feb 14, 2017 1:52:53 GMT
If MACRON really does win then the legislatives are going to be what is technically known as a clusterf uck. Is he presenting candidates under his own ticket or will he simply endorse PS or something? |
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Post by john07 on Feb 14, 2017 2:03:29 GMT
If MACRON really does win then the legislatives are going to be what is technically known as a clusterf uck. Is he presenting candidates under his own ticket or will he simply endorse PS or something? Has he got enough of a machine to organise candidates across the country? Most incoming presidents have been able to sweep the Assembly but none have been independents. I suspect that he may endorse like minded candidates from the PS, PRG, Greens, and some centrists. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 14, 2017 2:05:26 GMT
Every polling station has a table where parties can put their ballots (most parties print them and just deliver a stack of them at each polling station). Voters must go to the table, take at least 2 ballot papers (most take all of them), are given an envelope by the poll workers (after they signed the polling register) and go behind the curtain, where they put the ballot they want in the envelope and put the envelope in the transparent voting box. Yes, it's wierd and totally not ecological. What does the voter do with the ballot papers of all the candidates they don't want to vote for? Of all the questions one might ask why that one? Drop on floor/back to the table/in pocket/in bin provided? Who cares other than you? |
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