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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 18, 2016 22:58:03 GMT
It barely matters because the Left is going to get crushed whatever. How about next time they're in a position when they can take power they actually have some sort of idea what they want to do if they win? It would help if they had someone with an ounce of firmness and ability. Or more accurately someone who could do that and also keep their Jean Thomas in their pantalon. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 18, 2016 23:07:58 GMT
It barely matters because the Left is going to get crushed whatever. How about next time they're in a position when they can take power they actually have some sort of idea what they want to do if they win? It would help if they had someone with an ounce of firmness and ability. Or more accurately someone who could do that and also keep their Jean Thomas in their pantalon. I'm not sure that's a thing: it was with DSK because he was actually accused of rape but they don't seem to care otherwise. If anything, Hollande shagging about with Julie Gayet improved his standing. Maybe she felt he had firmness and ability... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 18, 2016 23:28:46 GMT
It barely matters because the Left is going to get crushed whatever. How about next time they're in a position when they can take power they actually have some sort of idea what they want to do if they win? It would help if they had someone with an ounce of firmness and ability. Or more accurately someone who could do that and also keep their Jean Thomas in their pantalon. Well I guess there's always a risk of that sort of issue in the house that Mitterrand built. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 21, 2016 20:29:19 GMT
Montebourg....ugh. Apart from his views on the State having the power to veto foreign takeovers, I can't think of a single policy of his that isn't utterly daft or economically illiterate.
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 21, 2016 23:41:42 GMT
I think what this thread needs is for Hash to express his long-held views on M. Montebourg to a new audience... |
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 22, 2016 20:41:08 GMT
I think what this thread needs is for Hash to express his long-held views on M. Montebourg to a new audience... I would be interesting to see if they tally with a french friend of mine on M. Moules. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 21:26:46 GMT
Wondering why the second 't' in the book's title is in red. I've seen the suggestion made on social media that its meant as a subliminal 'crusader cross' ie red cross on a white background. Given the circumstances of the election I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason. This bit of his statement makes me suspect even more that resemblance of the red 't' on the cover to a crusader cross    is not coincidental. He must be after the EDL vote. Or maybe we need an alternate universe thread for French elections to match the US one. |
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Post by maxque on Aug 22, 2016 22:09:05 GMT
The nomination procedure for the Republican Party is as follows Candidates must be nominated by at least 250 Republican elected officials including at least 20 Parliamentarians. These must be from at least 30 departments with no more than 10% from any one department. Candidates must be nominated by at least 2,500 Republican party members. These must be from at least 15 departments with no more than 10% from any one department. Nomination papers must be received no later than Friday 9th September. Candidate list will be published on Wednesday 21st September. www.primaire2016.org/charteAlthough a number of candidates in addition to the above mentioned four have announced their candidacy its thought that those four will be the only ones able to get successfully nominated. There will be a fifth one, as associated parties can present a candidate to the primary without going through all the hoops. The Christian Democrat Party (PDC) is presenting Jean-Frédéric Poisson, an Yvelines MP. It's the party of Christine Boutin, but no need to change the poll, I doubt hardcore catholic fundamentalism is popular here. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 22, 2016 22:28:03 GMT
Charles Pasqua, arguably one of Sarkozy's mentors, had a well-known book named Tous pour la France. Sarkozy's title is almost certainly a pun and that's why the T is marked.
Why exactly he's done it like that is less clear.
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Post by maxque on Aug 22, 2016 22:37:07 GMT
He must be after the EDL vote. Or maybe we need an alternate universe thread for French elections to match the US one. No he's after the FN vote. This is the first time that the Republicans are holding an open primary. If he can get plenty of FN supporters to vote for him in the Republican primary that could push him over the line to winning the Primary. Its obviously not an accident that the second letter 't' is in a different colour to all the others on the front page of the book. It must have been done for some reason. I would suggest that using a subtle bit of 'crusader' symbolism like that could have been meant as a form of a 'dog whistle' to the hard right and other voters concerned about Islamist violence. If he's put dog whistles in the Preface why not put one on the front cover as well. If you prefer to think that the cover was designed that way for another reason that's fine. Its not a major point. maybe you're right and there's another reason for it. The above looks to me to be the most obvious explanation. These days, the core FN vote doesn't care about religion. The old reactionnary Catholic vote is less FN (and more LR) than before (the FN more than compensated with working class voters, who are not really Catholic and will never vote in a LR primary, and especially not for former President Sarkozy). |
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Post by neilm on Aug 23, 2016 8:40:40 GMT
I didn't associate the red t with a crusader cross and I suspect the majority of people wouldn't: it isn't a prominent logo or symbol. Although he's done a good job encouraging the chatter about it.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2016 11:11:27 GMT
It should be noted that crosses of Lorraine are often shown as red on a blue background. That's the most likely explanation. Plus the Pasqua pun.
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Post by neilm on Aug 28, 2016 14:44:29 GMT
There aren't that many MoDem voters so what's pushing Juppe over the top in the overall figures?
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Post by AdminSTB on Aug 28, 2016 15:16:04 GMT
So does the French Republican Party use the two round system to elect its presidential nominee?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 30, 2016 15:11:04 GMT
Macron resigns to prepare his Presidential campaign.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 30, 2016 16:52:09 GMT
As far as I can discern, these are the persons who appear to have been chosen as candidates by their party (or by themselves!) already:
Lutte Ouvriere- Nathalie Arthaud (as in 2012)
NPA- Philippe Poitou (as in 2012)
Independent/FdG- Jean-Luc Melenchon. Apparently the PCF is divided on the matter.
Debout la France- Nicolas Dupont-Aignan
Rama Yade
The bizarre and ultra-traditonalist general Didier Tauzin.
I think we can assume the Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate.
Some curiousities include declarations of interest from the likes of Gerard Schivardi (he's back), Oscar Temaru (former grand fromage in New Caledonia), dodgy far-right type and conspiracy theorist Renaud Camus, and LaRouchiste perennial, Jacques Cheminade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 23:45:50 GMT
As far as I can discern, these are the persons who appear to have been chosen as candidates by their party (or by themselves!) already: Lutte Ouvriere- Nathalie Arthaud (as in 2012) NPA- Philippe Poitou (as in 2012) Independent/FdG- Jean-Luc Melenchon. Apparently the PCF is divided on the matter. Debout la France- Nicolas Dupont-Aignan Rama Yade The bizarre and ultra-traditonalist general Didier Tauzin. I think we can assume the Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate. Some curiousities include declarations of interest from the likes of Gerard Schivardi (he's back), Oscar Temaru (former grand fromage in New Caledonia), dodgy far-right type and conspiracy theorist Renaud Camus, and LaRouchiste perennial, Jacques Cheminade. Oscar Temaru was president of French Polynesia on and off (5 terms..) 2004-2013. He was inspired by the great Kanaak Socialist philosopher and independence leader Jean-Marie Tjibaou, but never held any office in New Caledonia (or lived there afaik). Its interesting that a Polynesian separatist is running for president of France.. Renaud Camus is only far right in the sense of being agains "Muslim colonization" of France and on some social issues, he is a leftist on economics. I see him more as an eccentric than "dodgy". |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 6, 2016 13:33:23 GMT
Juppe as president with NKM as prime minister would appeal to me.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 7, 2016 14:38:59 GMT
Juppe as president with NKM as prime minister would appeal to me. Agreed DW. And I say that not as a pretend French voter but as a concerned Briton looking in on them. What astonishes me is the appeal of Sarkozy to anyone at all? Even here on this thread he leads! Why on earth is that? |
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