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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2016 17:37:55 GMT
Would it have been better to let yet another inner London CLP pick a disastrous by-election candidate?
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Post by finsobruce on May 22, 2016 17:40:35 GMT
Would it have been better to let yet another inner London CLP pick a disastrous by-election candidate? Nope. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 22, 2016 17:49:41 GMT
In the case of Vauxhall, the one they wanted to pick was Martha Osamor - the mother of the current (Corbynite) Labour MP for Edmonton, Kate Osamor.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 22, 2016 18:13:40 GMT
Would it have been better to let yet another inner London CLP pick a disastrous by-election candidate? Though the SLDs weren't in the best of the shape and the Tories were hardly likely to be competitive, so it would have been harder to lose than Bermondsey. And it's hard to argue that one more hard-left MP would really have made much of a different to anything. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2016 18:26:08 GMT
It was only a few months after the SDP had nearly taken Richmond and there was another party surging in the vacuum at the time. Who knows how it could have gone given a favourable wind and a competent challenging party.
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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2016 19:29:17 GMT
In the case of Vauxhall, the one they wanted to pick was Martha Osamor - the mother of the current (Corbynite) Labour MP for Edmonton, Kate Osamor. And certainly a left winger but much more in the mould of her daughter. Would have been better than Tally-Hoey |
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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2016 19:30:50 GMT
Would it have been better to let yet another inner London CLP pick a disastrous by-election candidate? Though the SLDs weren't in the best of the shape and the Tories were hardly likely to be competitive, so it would have been harder to lose than Bermondsey. And it's hard to argue that one more hard-left MP would really have made much of a different to anything. And Peter Tatchell would have been an excellent MP and was never really hard left anyway - that entire campaign was homophobia through and through |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2016 21:23:01 GMT
What about Dreadful Deirdre?
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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2016 21:24:39 GMT
Would have been better than Tally-Hoey You know with comments like this it's hard to take seriously the claim Labour activists are against fox hunting for anything other than culture wars. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 22, 2016 21:29:12 GMT
Was Kate Hoey one of the 101 Damnations when she stood in Dulwich in 1987? She certainly was seen as being fairly hard-left at that time and I can't imagined she'd shifted all that much in those two years (though even then she would have been moderate by the standards of Lambeth Labour at that time)
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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2016 21:29:50 GMT
Would have been better than Tally-Hoey You know with comments like this it's hard to take seriously the claim Labour activists are against fox hunting for anything other than culture wars. To be frank I am none too fussed about fox hunting. I would vote against but it's not an important issue to me. However I can't stand Hoey. I think she's a self aggrandising professional maverick who the Labour party would be better off without. And being chair of an organisation like the Countryside Alliance which organised to defeat Labour MPS should have got her thrown out. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2016 21:31:54 GMT
What about Dreadful Deirdre? That was another very nasty campaign. Actually I think that attacking her because of her fathers alcoholism would really backfire these days. Anyway Greenwich's loss - they ended up with the ultimate airhead as MP. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 22, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
What about Dreadful Deirdre? That was another very nasty campaign. Actually I think that attacking her because of her fathers alcoholism would really backfire these days. Anyway Greenwich's loss - they ended up with the ultimate airhead as MP. Yes but she did know how to stroke a rabbit. |
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Post by andrea on May 22, 2016 22:07:21 GMT
The NEC panel for Vauxhall by-election was composed of Roy Hattersley (Chair), Joan Lestor, John Evans, Eddie Haigh and Tom Sawyer with Joyce Gould acting as secretary
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Post by johnloony on May 23, 2016 1:16:33 GMT
Was Kate Hoey one of the 101 Damnations when she stood in Dulwich in 1987? Yes she was.  |
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Post by john07 on May 31, 2016 22:04:05 GMT
Was Kate Hoey one of the 101 Damnations when she stood in Dulwich in 1987? She certainly was seen as being fairly hard-left at that time and I can't imagined she'd shifted all that much in those two years (though even then she would have been moderate by the standards of Lambeth Labour at that time) She wasn't that long out of the IMG then. The fact that the list includes the like of Peter Hain, Margaret Beckett, and Tam Dayell says it all! |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 1, 2016 19:40:47 GMT
Was Kate Hoey one of the 101 Damnations when she stood in Dulwich in 1987? She certainly was seen as being fairly hard-left at that time and I can't imagined she'd shifted all that much in those two years (though even then she would have been moderate by the standards of Lambeth Labour at that time) She was a Hackney councillor from 1978-82 and her views were unremarkable, and fairly mainstream. They still were in the 1980s and she wouldn't have been imposed in Vauxhall otherwise. Her eccentricities have only emerged slowly, and many of her views remain mainstream.
As a general issue the accusations of being hard left in the 1980s now look rather quaint. Many of the views being propounded by people like me, are now espooused by Conservatives.
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Post by neilm on Jun 3, 2016 14:22:44 GMT
And many of them aren't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:31:12 GMT
Was Kate Hoey one of the 101 Damnations when she stood in Dulwich in 1987? She certainly was seen as being fairly hard-left at that time and I can't imagined she'd shifted all that much in those two years (though even then she would have been moderate by the standards of Lambeth Labour at that time) She was a Hackney councillor from 1978-82 and her views were unremarkable, and fairly mainstream. They still were in the 1980s and she wouldn't have been imposed in Vauxhall otherwise. Her eccentricities have only emerged slowly, and many of her views remain mainstream.
As a general issue the accusations of being hard left in the 1980s now look rather quaint. Many of the views being propounded by people like me, are now espooused by Conservatives.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 4, 2016 6:07:03 GMT
As a general issue the accusations of being hard left in the 1980s now look rather quaint. Many of the views being propounded by people like me, are now espooused by Conservatives. If I remember correctly, the original list of left-wing candidates compiled by the Liberal-SDP Alliance was 110 names, but it was trimmed down to 101 so they could call it the "101 Damnations". The criteria for inclusion must have been fairly arbitrary, flimsy or contrived in some cases, open to interpretation and perhaps a bit arbitrary. |
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