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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 4, 2016 22:08:19 GMT
Though interestingly, not rural areas in Tyrol and Vorarlberg, which seems counter-intuitive, you'd have thought they might have been amongst the more conservative areas. They are. But that's not really what this election was about; VdB in so many was is not a typical candidate of the Left. This was (in all rounds) a very odd contest and people have to be wary about what they take from it. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 4, 2016 22:09:13 GMT
If the EU has any sense (which I increasingly doubt) it will treat this result as a very lucky escape and will take a step or two back from the policies that nearly led to disaster here. people in politics rarely treat victories (however narrow) as an instruction to change their ways...... I know. That's exactly how we ended up in this horrible f***ing mess. Progressives took every victory in a series of increasing hard and knife-edge elections as proof that we were 100% right on everything and didn't need to compromise on anything. The predictable result was an increasing number of increasingly alienated people, who now have won some crucial victories that will undo much of all we built over the last generation. We became perfectly happy with the idea of the 51% stamping an entire world-view on the 49%, because we assumed we would always be the 51%. Maybe the Austria result will lull everyone back into that mindset. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 4, 2016 22:09:38 GMT
Anyway please don't even think about trying to understand Austrian politics right now entirely through the headlines of the past two years. Thanks.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 4, 2016 22:34:19 GMT
When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. Instinctively I agree with that, but @odo perhaps makes a point that we Brits don't automatically get - that in any system other than FPTP an outright winner is unusual, and that does give the President a bit more scope to influence things. As a matter of fact that might be a bit of an issue for us if we were ever to move from FPTP, but there are other monarchies that seem to cope. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 22:54:21 GMT
When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. Instinctively I agree with that, but @odo perhaps makes a point that we Brits don't automatically get - that in any system other than FPTP an outright winner is unusual, and that does give the President a bit more scope to influence things. As a matter of fact that might be a bit of an issue for us if we were ever to move from FPTP, but there are other monarchies that seem to cope. One solution is the Swedish model where the Speaker has taken over the responsibilities that previously (pre-1975) belonged to the monarch when it comes to government formation. |
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Post by overthehill on Dec 4, 2016 23:46:08 GMT
When is the result formally confirmed? Aren't the postal votes still to be counted?
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 4, 2016 23:51:49 GMT
When is the result formally confirmed? Aren't the postal votes still to be counted? They start counting postal votes tomorrow I think. Usually takes a couple of days. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 15:36:52 GMT
When is the result formally confirmed? Aren't the postal votes still to be counted? They start counting postal votes tomorrow I think. Usually takes a couple of days. Counting ought to be finished today, before 16.00GMT/17.00MET, so in few minutes/hours. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 15:39:27 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 5, 2016 17:19:35 GMT
Over 40% of the electorate are willing to vote for the FPOe. That might prove the one useful thing to learn from.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 17:59:27 GMT
They start counting postal votes tomorrow I think. Usually takes a couple of days. Counting ought to be finished today, before 16.00GMT/17.00MET, so in few minutes/hours. Tyrol won't be able to end counting this day, meaning, that the HomeSecretary will publish the data tomorrow. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 18:03:41 GMT
Interesting geography: Hofer lost - so far, that's without PostalVotes - 1.35%. In SalzburgLand -2.6%, in the other 7 Länder -1.x%, but in Vienna only -0.3%. Because of Vienna's many PostalVotes - which went 3/4 to v.d.Bellen - Hofer finally lost 2.1%, still below average though. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 18:17:53 GMT
Over 40% of the electorate are willing to vote for the FPOe. That might prove the one useful thing to learn from. Rather ~35% of all eligible voters, ut indeed above 40% of those likely to turn out. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 5, 2016 18:20:24 GMT
Left: May; right: December.
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Post by maxque on Dec 5, 2016 19:15:27 GMT
After all that's happened, I suppose this and Richmond park are the consolation prizes of politics in 2016. Wooden spoons pretty much. Enjoy them You lose the executive President of one of the most (if not the most) important country in the world and get a ceremonial president in one of the least important countries in Europe. 17.5 Million people vote against the liberal elite in June. 20 thousand members of the liberal elite vote against the people in December. I'll take our results and you're welcome to yours  No comment on FPO blaming the loss on your beloved Nigel? |
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Post by curiousliberal on Dec 5, 2016 22:04:04 GMT
After all that's happened, I suppose this and Richmond park are the consolation prizes of politics in 2016. 17.5 Million people vote against the liberal elite in June. 20 thousand members of the liberal elite vote against the people in December. You may never be a liberal, Pete Whitehead, but with that attitude, we'll make a leftie out of you yet.  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 5, 2016 22:09:47 GMT
Wooden spoons pretty much. Enjoy them You lose the executive President of one of the most (if not the most) important country in the world and get a ceremonial president in one of the least important countries in Europe. 17.5 Million people vote against the liberal elite in June. 20 thousand members of the liberal elite vote against the people in December. I'll take our results and you're welcome to yours No comment on FPO blaming the loss on your beloved Nigel? Actually I saw what he had said before the vote and felt that would have been distinctly unhelpful. I think generally speaking someone in his position ought to be wary of being seen to intervene in foreign elections, especially when quite rightly he complains about others (eg Obama) sticking their oar into our affairs. Obviously quite different for nonentities like me to express support one way or another for various candidates in a forum like this, or on Twitter or whatever |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 5, 2016 22:11:15 GMT
17.5 Million people vote against the liberal elite in June. 20 thousand members of the liberal elite vote against the people in December. You may never be a liberal, Pete Whitehead, but with that attitude, we'll make a leftie out of you yet. On the contrary - I will always be a liberal but never a leftie |
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Post by maxque on Dec 5, 2016 22:14:59 GMT
No comment on FPO blaming the loss on your beloved Nigel? Actually I saw what he had said before the vote and felt that would have been distinctly unhelpful. I think generally speaking someone in his position ought to be wary of being seen to intervene in foreign elections, especially when quite rightly he complains about others (eg Obama) sticking their oar into our affairs. Obviously quite different for nonentities like me to express support one way or another for various candidates in a forum like this, or on Twitter or whatever Well, FPO seems to say the issue is not him involving per se which was the issue, but him saying FPO would lead to Ausxit (they spent a big part of the campaign claiming they wouldn't do a Ausxit). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 5, 2016 22:31:53 GMT
Actually I saw what he had said before the vote and felt that would have been distinctly unhelpful. I think generally speaking someone in his position ought to be wary of being seen to intervene in foreign elections, especially when quite rightly he complains about others (eg Obama) sticking their oar into our affairs. Obviously quite different for nonentities like me to express support one way or another for various candidates in a forum like this, or on Twitter or whatever Well, FPO seems to say the issue is not him involving per se which was the issue, but him saying FPO would lead to Ausxit (they spent a big part of the campaign claiming they wouldn't do a Ausxit). Yes quite - I know what he said and that this is what you were alluding to. It was quite ill-advised |
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