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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:20:06 GMT
far right defeated in contest for figurehead position. And how do you think that will affect their vote for more meaningful contests to come? Still expect Haider to become Chancellor in 2018 with the FPOE on 35% but that is only 8% above their 1999 high watermark so some perspective is required.  Jörg Haider died in October 2008. |
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Post by A Brown on Dec 4, 2016 20:22:34 GMT
Still expect Haider to become Chancellor in 2018 with the FPOE on 35% but that is only 8% above their 1999 high watermark so some perspective is required. Jörg Haider died in October 2008. Oops meant Strache. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 4, 2016 20:25:07 GMT
Chancellor a decade after he died? That's impressive. Edit: beaten to it by others  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:25:57 GMT
Jörg Haider died in October 2008. Oops meant Strache. Van der Bellen has said he will refuse to appoint Strache as Chancellor. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 4, 2016 20:28:04 GMT
That'll end well if he wins.
I suggest Austria (and other countries) get their immigration policies sorted out so that he doesn't win in the first place and thus cause a huge constitutional crisis.
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Post by neilm on Dec 4, 2016 20:28:17 GMT
Van der Bellen has said he will refuse to appoint Strache as Chancellor. Always amusing to see people refuse to work with people they may need to work with later. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:31:04 GMT
Van der Bellen has said he will refuse to appoint Strache as Chancellor. Always amusing to see people refuse to work with people they may need to work with later. Well, Strache is highly unlikely (to put it mildly..) to get an absolute majority (in that case the president has no choice). VdB repeated his position on November 26: Q: Sie bleiben dabei, Heinz-Christian Strache auch bei Vorliegen einer parlamentarischen Mehrheit nicht als Bundeskanzler anzugeloben. Wie wollen Sie denn das rein technisch durchsetzen? A: Das war vor fast einem Jahr eine unpräzise Äußerung. Selbst wenn Herr Strache einen großen Wahlerfolg einfahren wird, eine absolute Mehrheit wird er nicht haben. Selbst wenn er die relative Mehrheit hat: Wenn er nicht glaubhaft seine europapolitische Positionierung ändert, werde ich ihn nicht mit der Regierungsbildung beauftragen. Ich habe nichts persönlich gegen Herrn Strache. Das ist keine persönliche Antipathie. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:33:15 GMT
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Post by neilm on Dec 4, 2016 20:35:02 GMT
Always amusing to see people refuse to work with people they may need to work with later. Well, as Van der Bellen says Strache is unlikely to get an absolute majority He repeated his position on November 26: Q: Sie bleiben dabei, Heinz-Christian Strache auch bei Vorliegen einer parlamentarischen Mehrheit nicht als Bundeskanzler anzugeloben. Wie wollen Sie denn das rein technisch durchsetzen? A: Das war vor fast einem Jahr eine unpräzise Äußerung. Selbst wenn Herr Strache einen großen Wahlerfolg einfahren wird, eine absolute Mehrheit wird er nicht haben. Selbst wenn er die relative Mehrheit hat: Wenn er nicht glaubhaft seine europapolitische Positionierung ändert, werde ich ihn nicht mit der Regierungsbildung beauftragen. Ich habe nichts persönlich gegen Herrn Strache. Das ist keine persönliche Antipathie. When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. |
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Post by A Brown on Dec 4, 2016 20:36:18 GMT
Well, as Van der Bellen says Strache is unlikely to get an absolute majority He repeated his position on November 26: Q: Sie bleiben dabei, Heinz-Christian Strache auch bei Vorliegen einer parlamentarischen Mehrheit nicht als Bundeskanzler anzugeloben. Wie wollen Sie denn das rein technisch durchsetzen? A: Das war vor fast einem Jahr eine unpräzise Äußerung. Selbst wenn Herr Strache einen großen Wahlerfolg einfahren wird, eine absolute Mehrheit wird er nicht haben. Selbst wenn er die relative Mehrheit hat: Wenn er nicht glaubhaft seine europapolitische Positionierung ändert, werde ich ihn nicht mit der Regierungsbildung beauftragen. Ich habe nichts persönlich gegen Herrn Strache. Das ist keine persönliche Antipathie. When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. 1979 under Kreisky. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 4, 2016 20:46:53 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 4, 2016 20:54:22 GMT
If the EU has any sense (which I increasingly doubt) it will treat this result as a very lucky escape and will take a step or two back from the policies that nearly led to disaster here. people in politics rarely treat victories (however narrow) as an instruction to change their ways...... |
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Post by neilm on Dec 4, 2016 20:55:34 GMT
When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. 1979 under Kreisky. Thanks. Wondered about it Kreisky but wasn't sure what to look up. Wasn't he sued by Wiesenthal for something? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 21:02:47 GMT
Most limitations to the power of the presidency is by custom. Legally the President can appoint whomever he like as Chancellor (and cabinet ministers, Supreme Court justices, officers, and top bureaucrats) + dissolve the National Council at will.
The National Council can remove the cabinet through a motion of no confidence (and of course block a government without enough parliamentary support), but Austria does have a semi-presidential system on paper and if VdB is sufficiently stubborn and decides to ignore the tradition on this matter its far from given the FPÖ comes out on top. If they win an election he could just call another one a couple of months later if they cause trouble. FPÖ has a less reliable core vote than the mainstream parties and can not just rely on all of their voters turning up a second time. That's why it was so important for FPÖ to win the presidency.
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 4, 2016 21:05:30 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Dec 4, 2016 21:08:02 GMT
The home town of a former Governor of California has swung sharply against Hofer since May. So did the birthplace of a former leader of Germany. |
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Post by Foggy on Dec 4, 2016 21:15:44 GMT
High turnout reported for Vienna (good news for v.d.Bellen), especially in proletarian Donaustadt (good news for Hofer). Van der Bellen won Donaustadt in the end by 55.5% to 44.5% on a 61.8% turnout. |
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Post by Antiochian on Dec 4, 2016 21:22:02 GMT
Well, as Van der Bellen says Strache is unlikely to get an absolute majority He repeated his position on November 26: Q: Sie bleiben dabei, Heinz-Christian Strache auch bei Vorliegen einer parlamentarischen Mehrheit nicht als Bundeskanzler anzugeloben. Wie wollen Sie denn das rein technisch durchsetzen? A: Das war vor fast einem Jahr eine unpräzise Äußerung. Selbst wenn Herr Strache einen großen Wahlerfolg einfahren wird, eine absolute Mehrheit wird er nicht haben. Selbst wenn er die relative Mehrheit hat: Wenn er nicht glaubhaft seine europapolitische Positionierung ändert, werde ich ihn nicht mit der Regierungsbildung beauftragen. Ich habe nichts persönlich gegen Herrn Strache. Das ist keine persönliche Antipathie. When was the last time a party in Austria had an absolute majority? If he's the elephant in the room, van der Bellen will have to make some sort of compromise. He may refuse to appoint him as Chancellor but what if he's the power behind the throne? It's lunacy to refuse to work with anyone else in politics when it's blatant that you'll have to work with them in some capacity. Otherwise known as the Hindenburg Dilemma? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 4, 2016 21:33:38 GMT
What. A. Tremendous. Shame. I really should have birthdays more often. Early hours of the day before we win Richmond Park, on the day Rovers go top of National League, today the far right lose unexpectedly in Austria. Lovely! After all that's happened, I suppose this and Richmond park are the consolation prizes of politics in 2016. Wooden spoons pretty much. Enjoy them You lose the executive President of one of the most (if not the most) important country in the world and get a ceremonial president in one of the least important countries in Europe. 17.5 Million people vote against the liberal elite in June. 20 thousand members of the liberal elite vote against the people in December. I'll take our results and you're welcome to yours  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 4, 2016 21:46:32 GMT
Interesting geography: Hofer lost - so far, that's without PostalVotes - 1.35%.
In SalzburgLand -2.6%, in the other 7 Länder -1.x%, but in Vienna only -0.3%.
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