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Post by swanarcadian on Jun 26, 2018 16:30:12 GMT
Results are beginning to appear on my new forum courtesy of hullenedge and Right Leaning . Having created over two thousand threads I too have begun to chip in. The focus has been on Leeds CB, a few UDCs in Yorkshire, West Riding County Council and the London Metropolitan Boroughs so far. Early days... I've probably misunderstood. Is your Leeds discussion forum on this site or elsewhere? The link is in my profile signature and the forum is potentially for the whole country; I was just saying what has been worked on so far. oldukcouncils.freeforums.net/ |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 26, 2018 18:42:16 GMT
Copied from a stats journal:-  The author may be mistaken about the number of wards remaining 'approx same'. Maybe, but looking at the 1973 results on the election centre series it seems clear that a lot of the new local authorities just used the old wards from the previous local authorities in the area before in many cases having wholescale re-warding for the following election (though some did not get redrawn until 1983, eg. Wycombe) Calderdale's inaugural 17 wards were carved from the 62 'old wards'. |
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 24, 2019 7:06:34 GMT
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Post by polaris on Apr 24, 2019 14:11:49 GMT
If it hasn't been noted already, the Elections Centre have been gradually populating their spreadsheets of election results for the pre-1974 municipal boroughs and urban districts. They're sorted by year and accessible from the homepage of the website.
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 25, 2019 9:28:06 GMT
Short answer...too many! They won seats in Stepney (10), Westminster (3), Blyth (2), Finsbury, Hackney, Maidstone, Surbiton, Portsmouth, Bromley, Neath, Merthyr Tydfil, Hemel Hempstead, Andover and Wolverhampton. They already held seats on Leeds and Sheffield councils. Probably a few more represented on the UDCs/RDCs and in Scotland. Andover had a communist councillor??? |
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 25, 2019 12:31:49 GMT
Short answer...too many! They won seats in Stepney (10), Westminster (3), Blyth (2), Finsbury, Hackney, Maidstone, Surbiton, Portsmouth, Bromley, Neath, Merthyr Tydfil, Hemel Hempstead, Andover and Wolverhampton. They already held seats on Leeds and Sheffield councils. Probably a few more represented on the UDCs/RDCs and in Scotland. Andover had a communist councillor??? Found the clipping:-  The Communist councillor sat until 1947. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 25, 2019 12:36:38 GMT
The Surbiton Communist councillor was in Tolworth South (unsurprisingly)
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 25, 2019 21:14:01 GMT
Andover had a communist councillor??? Found the clipping:- The Communist councillor sat until 1947. Thanks.. still has me boggled.. Andover was around 8,000 people then and the most boring of market towns.. the whole of the lumpenproleteriat would have fit in a phone box... I shall investigate this some more and report back... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 25, 2019 21:21:49 GMT
Found the clipping:- The Communist councillor sat until 1947. Thanks.. still has me boggled.. Andover was around 8,000 people then and the most boring of market towns.. the whole of the lumpenproleteriat would have fit in a phone box... I shall investigate this some more and report back... Until the 1990s there was always a small scattering of Conservative councillors across the South Wales Valleys, holding seats in wards where polling 15% in GE would be considered a historic triumph. Small wards and well known, well regarded people running as candidates (and both things were more common in the 1940s!) and all kinds of weird things are possible. |
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Post by londonseal80 on Apr 27, 2019 10:11:53 GMT
Thanks.. still has me boggled.. Andover was around 8,000 people then and the most boring of market towns.. the whole of the lumpenproleteriat would have fit in a phone box... I shall investigate this some more and report back... Until the 1990s there was always a small scattering of Conservative councillors across the South Wales Valleys, holding seats in wards where polling 15% in GE would be considered a historic triumph. Small wards and well known, well regarded people running as candidates (and both things were more common in the 1940s!) and all kinds of weird things are possible. Oddest election result for me is...Cheam North. there other wards in the borough that would have seemed a more likely a Labour victory than this one (Sutton North contained 5 acres of St Helier Estate) Labour winning Cheam North in Sutton LBC (both councillors in 1964 and one councillor in 1971) now I know the old boundaries which contained no significant council housing and ordinary working class either. It was very similar to Stoneleigh or Worcester Park suburban middle class. Even the Worcester park north had a small area of social housing. It’s not ultra rich like Cheam South but was still one of the more affluent wards in the northern half of the borough. On the old Sutton and Cheam borough, Labour have never won the ward the even struggled to win Sutton Central most years. And in 1968 and from 1974 onwards till 1998 after that the ward was completely broken up. Labour were always a very poor third not even getting 10%. Did it vote Labour over local issues, we’ll known candidates or maybe to punish the Conservatives from putting them in Greater London. Answers on a postcard?  |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 28, 2019 8:31:07 GMT
Until the 1990s there was always a small scattering of Conservative councillors across the South Wales Valleys, holding seats in wards where polling 15% in GE would be considered a historic triumph. Small wards and well known, well regarded people running as candidates (and both things were more common in the 1940s!) and all kinds of weird things are possible. Oddest election result for me is...Cheam North. there other wards in the borough that would have seemed a more likely a Labour victory than this one (Sutton North contained 5 acres of St Helier Estate) Labour winning Cheam North in Sutton LBC (both councillors in 1964 and one councillor in 1971) now I know the old boundaries which contained no significant council housing and ordinary working class either. It was very similar to Stoneleigh or Worcester Park suburban middle class. Even the Worcester park north had a small area of social housing. It’s not ultra rich like Cheam South but was still one of the more affluent wards in the northern half of the borough. On the old Sutton and Cheam borough, Labour have never won the ward the even struggled to win Sutton Central most years. And in 1968 and from 1974 onwards till 1998 after that the ward was completely broken up. Labour were always a very poor third not even getting 10%. Did it vote Labour over local issues, we’ll known candidates or maybe to punish the Conservatives from putting them in Greater London. Answers on a postcard? As to the marginal East Cheam ward, that was swung by the Railway Cuttings vote.  |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 28, 2019 9:42:14 GMT
There was also more deference in those days. The beautiful De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea was built at the urging of the then Mayor of the town, Earl De La Warr, who had been a Labour minister and who promoted the architectural competition for it in 1934. He followed MacDonald into the National Government in 1931 and drifted further rightwards later. Hard to imagine Bexhill having much of a Labour component at any time.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 28, 2019 10:31:57 GMT
There was also more deference in those days. The beautiful De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea was built at the urging of the then Mayor of the town, Earl De La Warr, who had been a Labour minister and who promoted the architectural competition for it in 1934. He followed MacDonald into the National Government in 1931 and drifted further rightwards later. Hard to imagine Bexhill having much of a Labour component at any time. In February 1926 the Bexhill on Sea Observer recorded that Bexhill Young Labour had beaten Bexhill Orient 3-0, and that it was the first game that season where Orient failed to score. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 28, 2019 12:41:50 GMT
Oddest election result for me is...Cheam North. there other wards in the borough that would have seemed a more likely a Labour victory than this one (Sutton North contained 5 acres of St Helier Estate) Labour winning Cheam North in Sutton LBC (both councillors in 1964 and one councillor in 1971) now I know the old boundaries which contained no significant council housing and ordinary working class either. It was very similar to Stoneleigh or Worcester Park suburban middle class. Even the Worcester park north had a small area of social housing. It’s not ultra rich like Cheam South but was still one of the more affluent wards in the northern half of the borough. On the old Sutton and Cheam borough, Labour have never won the ward the even struggled to win Sutton Central most years. And in 1968 and from 1974 onwards till 1998 after that the ward was completely broken up. Labour were always a very poor third not even getting 10%. Did it vote Labour over local issues, we’ll known candidates or maybe to punish the Conservatives from putting them in Greater London. Answers on a postcard? As to the marginal East Cheam ward, that was swung by the Railway Cuttings vote. Known in arcane psephological matters as the Sid Factor within the general ambit of Tub Syndrome in lower middle class dissociative identity disorders. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 28, 2019 12:50:06 GMT
There was also more deference in those days. The beautiful De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea was built at the urging of the then Mayor of the town, Earl De La Warr, who had been a Labour minister and who promoted the architectural competition for it in 1934. He followed MacDonald into the National Government in 1931 and drifted further rightwards later. Hard to imagine Bexhill having much of a Labour component at any time. In youth I spent many Easter Holidays with my Grandmother at Bexhill and took afternoon tea with her in that Pavilion listening to string or piano recitals. It was then in a state of dilapidation and general neglect. Modernist structures with masses of Crittall windows has not weathered the war well. I understand that it has been expensively renovated recently. I was interested to learn that the same family giving their name to that Pavilion also gave their name to a state in the USA where the pronunciation is correct. |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 28, 2019 13:07:31 GMT
There was also more deference in those days. The beautiful De La Warr Pavilion in Bexhill on Sea was built at the urging of the then Mayor of the town, Earl De La Warr, who had been a Labour minister and who promoted the architectural competition for it in 1934. He followed MacDonald into the National Government in 1931 and drifted further rightwards later. Hard to imagine Bexhill having much of a Labour component at any time. In youth I spent many Easter Holidays with my Grandmother at Bexhill and took afternoon tea with her in that Pavilion listening to string or piano recitals. It was then in a state of dilapidation and general neglect. Modernist structures with masses of Crittall windows has not weathered the war well. I understand that it has been expensively renovated recently. I was interested to learn that the same family giving their name to that Pavilion also gave their name to a state in the USA where the pronunciation is correct. You are right. The use of concrete and Crittall windows (particularly in a seaside environment) was going to make it a maintenance nightmare. It has been refurbished completely. I visited it when I was visiting galleries along that stretch of the south coast. They've made a beautiful job of it, but I presume that the underlying fabric issues are likely to make it pretty costly to run. If you like Art Deco it's a startling example. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 28, 2019 13:13:39 GMT
In youth I spent many Easter Holidays with my Grandmother at Bexhill and took afternoon tea with her in that Pavilion listening to string or piano recitals. It was then in a state of dilapidation and general neglect. Modernist structures with masses of Crittall windows has not weathered the war well. I understand that it has been expensively renovated recently. I was interested to learn that the same family giving their name to that Pavilion also gave their name to a state in the USA where the pronunciation is correct. You are right. The use of concrete and Crittall windows (particularly in a seaside environment) was going to make it a maintenance nightmare. It has been refurbished completely. I visited it when I was visiting galleries along that stretch of the south coast. They've made a beautiful job of it, but I presume that the underlying fabric issues are likely to make it pretty costly to run. If you like Art Deco it's a startling example. Agreed in all particulars. Did you visit the Towner Gallery in your tour? |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 28, 2019 13:40:11 GMT
As to the marginal East Cheam ward, that was swung by the Railway Cuttings vote. Known in arcane psephological matters as the Sid Factor within the general ambit of Tub Syndrome in lower middle class dissociative identity disorders. Subject to the D'Hancock method. |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 28, 2019 14:18:31 GMT
You are right. The use of concrete and Crittall windows (particularly in a seaside environment) was going to make it a maintenance nightmare. It has been refurbished completely. I visited it when I was visiting galleries along that stretch of the south coast. They've made a beautiful job of it, but I presume that the underlying fabric issues are likely to make it pretty costly to run. If you like Art Deco it's a startling example. Agreed in all particulars. Did you visit the Towner Gallery in your tour? I did, a little gem, and the Jerwood in Hastings (the construction of which the fishing community had resisted apparently). My partner was doing an art quilting event in Eastbourne and I had a couple of days to potter around. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 28, 2019 14:53:53 GMT
As to the marginal East Cheam ward, that was swung by the Railway Cuttings vote. Known in arcane psephological matters as the Sid Factor within the general ambit of Tub Syndrome in lower middle class dissociative identity disorders. "It's not West Sutton, it's East Cheam" |
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