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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 30, 2018 18:25:52 GMT
Timetable of local elections in 1972:- Tuesday 2nd May - Scotland Thursday 4th May - England & Wales County Boroughs and Boroughs plus 74 UDCs Friday 5th May - 8 UDCs Saturday 6th May - 165 UDCs Monday 8th May - 70 UDCs Tuesday 9th May - 72 UDCs Wednesday 10th May - 21 UDCs (Unclear how many RDCs polled in 1972. 112 UDCs didn't poll in 1972 - not their 'all up' year). The rolling totals in the national press rarely tallied. I sometimes wonder how holding these elections on different days might have altered the results from what they would have been had they all been held on the same day. |
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 30, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
Timetable of local elections in 1972:- Tuesday 2nd May - Scotland Thursday 4th May - England & Wales County Boroughs and Boroughs plus 74 UDCs Friday 5th May - 8 UDCs Saturday 6th May - 165 UDCs Monday 8th May - 70 UDCs Tuesday 9th May - 72 UDCs Wednesday 10th May - 21 UDCs (Unclear how many RDCs polled in 1972. 112 UDCs didn't poll in 1972 - not their 'all up' year). The rolling totals in the national press rarely tallied. I sometimes wonder how holding these elections on different days might have altered the results from what they would have been had they all been held on the same day. Don't think that has ever been studied in depth. Possible bandwagon effect in landslide years? |
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 30, 2018 20:41:20 GMT
We now come to the 1964 Municipal Yearbook party compositions. The Municipal Yearbook has now helpfully separated the County Boroughs from the Non-County Boroughs.The Liberals have now taken minority control of Southport; while some of the refusals to provide information are becoming surprising (Manchester, Walsall, Croydon). Labour's hold on Smethwick CB looks a bit dodgy... I'm reading through this wonderful thread again. For the sake of clarity, were municipal corporations just an alternative name for county boroughs and non-county boroughs? This appears to be how they had been described in the Municipal Yearbook editions before 1964. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 30, 2018 20:46:39 GMT
Timetable of local elections in 1972:- Tuesday 2nd May - Scotland Thursday 4th May - England & Wales County Boroughs and Boroughs plus 74 UDCs Friday 5th May - 8 UDCs Saturday 6th May - 165 UDCs Monday 8th May - 70 UDCs Tuesday 9th May - 72 UDCs Wednesday 10th May - 21 UDCs (Unclear how many RDCs polled in 1972. 112 UDCs didn't poll in 1972 - not their 'all up' year). The rolling totals in the national press rarely tallied. Was 1972 the last time that local elections were held on different days like this? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 30, 2018 20:58:07 GMT
I'm reading through this wonderful thread again. For the sake of clarity, were municipal corporations just an alternative name for county boroughs and non-county boroughs? This appears to be how they had been described in the Municipal Yearbook editions before 1964. That's right. After the Reform Act of 1832, the reformers looked at local government in all the towns which had a borough charter, and after revising some of their boundaries, passed the Municipal Corporations Act 1835 to require them all to adopt democratic local government. Although there were many subsequent changes, it remained the basis of borough local government until reform in the 1970s. (Everywhere else had local government through the church - hence the 'parish council'. The urban districts and rural districts did not appear until the 1870s in the original form of Boards of Health, being converted into general local government in 1894) |
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 30, 2018 21:26:51 GMT
Timetable of local elections in 1972:- Tuesday 2nd May - Scotland Thursday 4th May - England & Wales County Boroughs and Boroughs plus 74 UDCs Friday 5th May - 8 UDCs Saturday 6th May - 165 UDCs Monday 8th May - 70 UDCs Tuesday 9th May - 72 UDCs Wednesday 10th May - 21 UDCs (Unclear how many RDCs polled in 1972. 112 UDCs didn't poll in 1972 - not their 'all up' year). The rolling totals in the national press rarely tallied. Was 1972 the last time that local elections were held on different days like this? Yes, by and large, although different polling days in 1974 for London (2nd May) and Scotland (7th May). There were the 'rolling elections' in 1973 - counties in April, mets in May and districts in June. I think that it was originally proposed that mets/districts would poll in the May but resistance in the shires! |
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Post by neilm on May 1, 2018 21:13:21 GMT
I'm reading through this wonderful thread again. For the sake of clarity, were municipal corporations just an alternative name for county boroughs and non-county boroughs? This appears to be how they had been described in the Municipal Yearbook editions before 1964. That's right. After the Reform Act of 1832, the reformers looked at local government in all the towns which had a borough charter, and after revising some of their boundaries, passed the Municipal Corporations Act 1835 to require them all to adopt democratic local government. Although there were many subsequent changes, it remained the basis of borough local government until reform in the 1970s. (Everywhere else had local government through the church - hence the 'parish council'. The urban districts and rural districts did not appear until the 1870s in the original form of Boards of Health, being converted into general local government in 1894) I've long dormant memories of Edmund Chadwick re-emerging- weren't sanitary districts set up under the Public Health Act the basis for Boards of Health? I may be utterly wrong. In the early 2000s, there was talk in Plymouth of renaming the city council as the corporation but obviously that died a death. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 1, 2018 21:31:47 GMT
That's right. After the Reform Act of 1832, the reformers looked at local government in all the towns which had a borough charter, and after revising some of their boundaries, passed the Municipal Corporations Act 1835 to require them all to adopt democratic local government. Although there were many subsequent changes, it remained the basis of borough local government until reform in the 1970s. (Everywhere else had local government through the church - hence the 'parish council'. The urban districts and rural districts did not appear until the 1870s in the original form of Boards of Health, being converted into general local government in 1894) I've long dormant memories of Edmund Chadwick re-emerging- weren't sanitary districts set up under the Public Health Act the basis for Boards of Health? I may be utterly wrong. Sorry, yes, was groping for the terminology but forgot it. They were 'Urban Sanitary Districts' and 'Rural Sanitary Districts'. |
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Post by hullenedge on May 1, 2018 22:11:32 GMT
I've long dormant memories of Edmund Chadwick re-emerging- weren't sanitary districts set up under the Public Health Act the basis for Boards of Health? I may be utterly wrong. Sorry, yes, was groping for the terminology but forgot it. They were 'Urban Sanitary Districts' and 'Rural Sanitary Districts'. We got decent sanitation in 1866 although many resented paying water rates. If you were caught offering piped water to your neighbours you were liable to a hefty fine. The outlaying districts took years (the night soil men were kept busy) to sanitise. That was part of the argument for amalgamation and incorporation. Some of us will have memories of visiting houses with outside lavatories and no hot water. |
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Post by neilm on May 1, 2018 22:17:32 GMT
I've long dormant memories of Edmund Chadwick re-emerging- weren't sanitary districts set up under the Public Health Act the basis for Boards of Health? I may be utterly wrong. Sorry, yes, was groping for the terminology but forgot it. They were 'Urban Sanitary Districts' and 'Rural Sanitary Districts'. As an aside, is there a decent history of local government in the UK? I'm looking for a friend, the stuff I have is a bit specialist or highly local. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 2, 2018 0:31:52 GMT
Sorry, yes, was groping for the terminology but forgot it. They were 'Urban Sanitary Districts' and 'Rural Sanitary Districts'. We got decent sanitation in 1866 although many resented paying water rates. If you were caught offering piped water to your neighbours you were liable to a hefty fine. The outlaying districts took years (the night soil men were kept busy) to sanitise. That was part of the argument for amalgamation and incorporation. Some of us will have memories of visiting houses with outside lavatories and no hot water. When I was on Sheffield there were still a handful of propeties that the council did night soil collections from. I think the council was trying to persuade the owners to accept free connection to the sewers using some left-over bylaw powers. |
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Post by cibwr on May 3, 2018 9:35:36 GMT
Sorry, yes, was groping for the terminology but forgot it. They were 'Urban Sanitary Districts' and 'Rural Sanitary Districts'. As an aside, is there a decent history of local government in the UK? I'm looking for a friend, the stuff I have is a bit specialist or highly local. It does tend to be fragmentary, but I am sure there must be some books that give a good over view of Wales and England, Scotland and Ireland had very different local government structures. Wales of course diverged after 1972. I have a copy of Local Government by P W Jackson (second edition) from 1972 which gives a fairly good over view of the evolution of Local Governance from Saxon to the 1970s. If you can get a copy its worth a look. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 3, 2018 11:12:47 GMT
As an aside, is there a decent history of local government in the UK? I'm looking for a friend, the stuff I have is a bit specialist or highly local. It does tend to be fragmentary, but I am sure there must be some books that give a good over view of Wales and England, Scotland and Ireland had very different local government structures. Wales of course diverged after 1972. I have a copy of Local Government by P W Jackson (second edition) from 1972 which gives a fairly good over view of the evolution of Local Governance from Saxon to the 1970s. If you can get a copy its worth a look. I've just started reading English Local Government Reformed, Redcliffe-Maud & Wood, 1974 which has a chapter giving an overview of local government before 1974. |
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Post by cibwr on May 3, 2018 18:03:11 GMT
Sounds good...
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Post by hullenedge on May 27, 2018 9:51:39 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 27, 2018 10:23:21 GMT
Some rather counter-intuitive results there in Reading
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Post by The Bishop on May 27, 2018 10:24:52 GMT
Also interesting that both Maidenhead and Wokingham had a Liberal presence even at this early stage of their "revival".
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 15, 2018 9:29:50 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 15, 2018 9:42:07 GMT
So I was born in a Labour held ward, but when my parents took me home, I went into a Tory one.
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Post by swanarcadian on Jun 15, 2018 22:34:55 GMT
Were candidates' occupations (innkeepers, corn millers, drapers etc) featured on ballot papers at any time in these long gone councils? Certainly the newspapers usually mentioned them in the days when party politics very often did not feature in local elections; it seemed to be the only information available about them.
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