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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 21, 2019 0:35:13 GMT
Counting is conducted presently.
FVD are gaining (from zero) a lot - although they might end behind VVD (at least in several ExitPolls) - and FVD's Baudet seems more than ever to become the fatal fate for PVV's Wilders.
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Post by iain on Mar 21, 2019 0:41:09 GMT
Exits have the Coalition falling 7 seats short in the Senate - if that’s the case then they could get by on ‘constructive opposition’ with one of GL or PvdA, which is better than polls were predicting.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 21, 2019 1:01:49 GMT
Exits have the Coalition falling 7 seats short in the Senate - if that’s the case then they could get by on ‘constructive opposition’ with one of GL or PvdA, which is better than polls were predicting. Yes, the CoalitionParties VVD/CDA/CU weren't as damaged by FVD as had been expected. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 21, 2019 4:37:45 GMT
Who would have thought few decades ago, that CDA could be the strongest party more in SeaLand, OverIjssel, FriesLand; and few years ago, that VVD would achieve this in NorthBrabant and GelderLand?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 21, 2019 4:57:55 GMT
93.4% done.
Senate:
13 *13 FvD
12 -1 VVD
09 -3 CDA
09 +5 GL
07 -1 PvdA
06 -4 D'66
05 -4 PVV
04 -5 SP
04 +1 CU
03 +1 PvdD
02 +-0 50+
01 +-0 SGP
44 +4 MidRight (FvD, VVD, CDA, PVV, CU, SGP)
29 -4 MidLeft (GL, PvdA, D'66, SP, PvdD)
02+-0 50Plus
Was it mainly SP, that lost lots of voters to the right bloc? (To PVV and PVV to FvD? Or even from SP to FvD?)
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Post by Antiochian on Mar 21, 2019 8:41:55 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 21, 2019 17:28:13 GMT
I haven't found the PerCentage-numbers, but the seat-distribution is known.
75 SENATE:
39 Right (FvD, VVD, CDA, PVV)
29 Left (GL, PvdA, D'66, SP, PvdD, Denk)
05 Prot. (CU, SGP)
02 50+
00 Regionalists
41-20:16:3:1:1 Drenthe
41-22:13:4:2:0 FlevoLand
43-21:14:3:1:4 FriesLand
55-26:20:7:2:0 GelderLand
43-16:17:4:1:5 Groningen
47-28:16:0:1:2 Limburg
55-31:20:1:2:1 NorthBrabant
55-25:28:1:1:0 NorthHolland
47-24:16:6:1:0 OverIjssel
55-29:19:5:2:0 SouthHolland
49-21:22:5:1:0 Utrecht
39-18:10:7:2:2 SeaLand (SGP belongs to the Right, of course)
A clear north-south division.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 27, 2019 12:03:32 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 27, 2019 12:06:30 GMT
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Post by mazuz on Mar 27, 2019 23:41:56 GMT
Did not intend to return to this place, but I feel like commenting on this as I'm proud of our achievement: I'm an active FvD member, and this was quite the night. It was also just one step. We're going to achieve so much more. Our conservative members may appreciate Thierry's subtitled speech, which was a masterpiece. His Dutch is almost literature. The media are still going berserk over it. They realize that their cordon sanitaire against the PVV has created something much more powerful than the PVV ever was. We're here now, we're a real movement (which the PVV never was), and we're going to bring sanity back to this country. Main vote transfers from PS15 were: PVV -> FvD, D66 -> GL, SP -> GL, SP -> FvD, CDA -> FvD and VVD -> FvD. Turnout was 56%, up more than 8% from last time, which is more than a million voters. VVD and PvdA lost seats but actually won raw votes. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 27, 2019 23:48:18 GMT
Did not intend to return to this place, but I feel like commenting on this as I'm proud of our achievement: I'm an active FvD member, and this was quite the night. It was also just one step. We're going to achieve so much more. Our conservative members may appreciate Thierry's subtitled speech, which was a masterpiece. His Dutch is almost literature. The media are still going berserk over it. They realize that their cordon sanitaire against the PVV has created something much more powerful than the PVV ever was. We're here now, we're a real movement (which the PVV never was), and we're going to bring sanity back to this country. Main vote transfers from PS15 were: PVV -> FvD, D66 -> GL, SP -> GL, SP -> FvD, CDA -> FvD and VVD -> FvD. Turnout was 56%, up more than 8% from last time, which is more than a million voters. VVD and PvdA lost seats but actually won raw votes. Well done. It is the party I would support. We miss you. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 28, 2019 0:47:22 GMT
Did not intend to return to this place, but I feel like commenting on this as I'm proud of our achievement: I'm an active FvD member, and this was quite the night. It was also just one step. We're going to achieve so much more. Our conservative members may appreciate Thierry's subtitled speech, which was a masterpiece. His Dutch is almost literature. The media are still going berserk over it. They realize that their cordon sanitaire against the PVV has created something much more powerful than the PVV ever was. We're here now, we're a real movement (which the PVV never was), and we're going to bring sanity back to this country. Main vote transfers from PS15 were: PVV -> FvD, D66 -> GL, SP -> GL, SP -> FvD, CDA -> FvD and VVD -> FvD. Turnout was 56%, up more than 8% from last time, which is more than a million voters. VVD and PvdA lost seats but actually won raw votes. The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 28, 2019 1:05:13 GMT
Did not intend to return to this place, but I feel like commenting on this as I'm proud of our achievement: I'm an active FvD member, and this was quite the night. It was also just one step. We're going to achieve so much more. Our conservative members may appreciate Thierry's subtitled speech, which was a masterpiece. His Dutch is almost literature. The media are still going berserk over it. They realize that their cordon sanitaire against the PVV has created something much more powerful than the PVV ever was. We're here now, we're a real movement (which the PVV never was), and we're going to bring sanity back to this country. Main vote transfers from PS15 were: PVV -> FvD, D66 -> GL, SP -> GL, SP -> FvD, CDA -> FvD and VVD -> FvD. Turnout was 56%, up more than 8% from last time, which is more than a million voters. VVD and PvdA lost seats but actually won raw votes. The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. Hey, don't knock them, they managed to invade us and take over in a bloodless coup. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 28, 2019 1:18:04 GMT
Did not intend to return to this place, but I feel like commenting on this as I'm proud of our achievement: I'm an active FvD member, and this was quite the night. It was also just one step. We're going to achieve so much more. Our conservative members may appreciate Thierry's subtitled speech, which was a masterpiece. His Dutch is almost literature. The media are still going berserk over it. They realize that their cordon sanitaire against the PVV has created something much more powerful than the PVV ever was. We're here now, we're a real movement (which the PVV never was), and we're going to bring sanity back to this country. Main vote transfers from PS15 were: PVV -> FvD, D66 -> GL, SP -> GL, SP -> FvD, CDA -> FvD and VVD -> FvD. Turnout was 56%, up more than 8% from last time, which is more than a million voters. VVD and PvdA lost seats but actually won raw votes. The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. The greatest and most beautiful civilization the world has ever known is Western civilization, and the Netherlands has had a lot more than its fair share of philosophers, painters, engineers, musicians and the like contributing to it. No one can tell us that a country with our magnificent history, a country that is still a beacon of innovation and ingenuity and entrepreneurship, a country that is the 6th economy of the EU is merely a "satellite state." The Netherlands is currently enslaved by an all too powerful EU but, once we understand how strong we really are and take back control, once we restore confidence in ourselves and stop allowing reds like you (for whom this video was not intended in the first place) to talk down to us, we will rise up once again. Our nationalism, apparently contrary to yours, is not about putting down other nations. It's about lifting up ours, and Western civilization with it. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 28, 2019 1:19:18 GMT
The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. Hey, don't knock them, they managed to invade us and take over in a bloodless coup. Parliment seized power from the monarchy using a fit of anti-catholic bigotry and installed a foreign puppet. Two ways to see the same event I guess. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 28, 2019 1:35:37 GMT
The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. The greatest and most beautiful civilization the world has ever known is Western civilization, and the Netherlands has had a lot more than its fair share of philosophers, painters, engineers, musicians and the like contributing to it. No one can tell us that a country with our magnificent history, a country that is still a beacon of innovation and ingenuity and entrepreneurship, a country that is the 6th economy of the EU is merely a "satellite state." The Netherlands is currently enslaved by an all too powerful EU but, once we understand how strong we really are and take back control, once we restore confidence in ourselves and stop allowing reds like you (for whom this video was not intended in the first place) to talk down to us, we will rise up once again. Our nationalism, apparently contrary to yours, is not about putting down other nations. It's about lifting up ours, and Western civilization with it. Asserting ’6th largest in the EU!’ with any pride is really my point. I predict any attempt to escape the EU will fail hugely, you are a heartland state and have really lost any say in the matter. Reds aren't the reason for your failure. That is entirely down to history, geography, the impending seawater, and general bad pot luck. Trying to make up for this by fawning over an idea of ’western civilisation’ is silly and misguided. It won't solve any domestic problems and ignores your own history. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 1:37:36 GMT
The greatest and most beautiful civilisation the world has ever known is Britain. So I stopped watching the video at this point as his founding premise is clearly flawed. The Netherlands is a satellite country, first of the Habsburgs, then France, for a time us and now Germany via the EU. Any serious nationalist party is bound to be extremely unimpressive. The greatest and most beautiful civilization the world has ever known is Western civilization, and the Netherlands has had a lot more than its fair share of philosophers, painters, engineers, musicians and the like contributing to it. No one can tell us that a country with our magnificent history, a country that is still a beacon of innovation and ingenuity and entrepreneurship, a country that is the 6th economy of the EU is merely a "satellite state." The Netherlands is currently enslaved by an all too powerful EU but, once we understand how strong we really are and take back control, once we restore confidence in ourselves and stop allowing reds like you (for whom this video was not intended in the first place) to talk down to us, we will rise up once again. Our nationalism, apparently contrary to yours, is not about putting down other nations. It's about lifting up ours, and Western civilization with it. Welcome back. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 28, 2019 1:41:12 GMT
Asserting ’6th largest in the EU!’ with any pride is really my point. I predict any attempt to escape the EU will fail hugely, you are a heartland state and have really lost any say in the matter. Reds aren't the reason for your failure. That is entirely down to history, geography, the impending seawater, and general bad pot luck. Trying to make up for this by fawning over an idea of ’western civilisation’ is silly and misguided. It won't solve any domestic problems and ignores your own history. It's almost too late, but we can still change the course of our country. Our domestic problems will be solved. Our geographical position in the center of Northwestern Europe is great, as is our history, our ability to adapt to potential changing climatic conditions, and, God willing, our luck. You focus on your own problems. We'll focus on ours. Thank you very much. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 28, 2019 2:00:50 GMT
Asserting ’6th largest in the EU!’ with any pride is really my point. I predict any attempt to escape the EU will fail hugely, you are a heartland state and have really lost any say in the matter. Reds aren't the reason for your failure. That is entirely down to history, geography, the impending seawater, and general bad pot luck. Trying to make up for this by fawning over an idea of ’western civilisation’ is silly and misguided. It won't solve any domestic problems and ignores your own history. It's almost too late, but we can still change the course of our country. Our domestic problems will be solved. Our geographical position in the center of the Northwestern Europe is great, as is our history, our ability to adapt to potential changing climatic conditions, and, God willing, our luck. You focus on your own problems. We'll focus on ours. Thank you very much. Almost too late to do what? Leave the EU? If you even achieved this what would it do? How will it solve your domestic problems? Do you have any history of the EU or its superpower predecessors not dominating your affairs? The party leader you mmention seems to talk a lot in this same broad hopeful language with absolutely no policy. It sounds like another 5-star populist joke, bound to be a let down on delivery. There will be some reds to blame at the end of it all though. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 28, 2019 2:10:54 GMT
Almost too late to save our civilization, all across the West. The Owl of Minerva is truly only flying out when the sun starts to set.
We're nothing like the Five Star Movement, a party running on a completely unclear platform. You wish. We have policies. You won't like them.
Just as a point of order: I do not intend to continue this conversation with people like you, who disrespect my country - this is really a politeness issue. But I'm more than happy to discuss recent political developments with decent people who don't act as hostile.
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