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Post by nyx on Nov 10, 2024 2:49:24 GMT
IMO The Democrats would be better off running with a Governor in 2028. They still govern 23 states, naturally you have pros and cons of your record but you're either popular in your own state or region or not. Whereas Senate or House links you with Congress. Trump won the election thanks to coalescing the generic protest vote around him as he is perceived as an outsider rather than a politician. It would be a mistake for the Democrats to once again run someone who feels like "a politician". If he were willing to go for it, Dan Osborn would be a very strong candidate- losing Nebraska by only 7% was an extremely good performance considering how Republican the state is. Whether he would be willing to accept the Democratic nomination is of course another matter. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 10, 2024 5:03:02 GMT
IMO The Democrats would be better off running with a Governor in 2028. They still govern 23 states, naturally you have pros and cons of your record but you're either popular in your own state or region or not. Whereas Senate or House links you with Congress. Trump won the election thanks to coalescing the generic protest vote around him as he is perceived as an outsider rather than a politician. It would be a mistake for the Democrats to once again run someone who feels like "a politician". If he were willing to go for it, Dan Osborn would be a very strong candidate- losing Nebraska by only 7% was an extremely good performance considering how Republican the state is. Whether he would be willing to accept the Democratic nomination is of course another matter. Personally I don’t think Dan Osborn is sufficiently well-known outside of Nebraska. He had a decent result there, but he wasn’t even running as a Democrat… which probably helped him. The publicity blitz would need to be extraordinary if he were to become a name known from San Diego up to Bangor. I don’t even know if Democrats can replicate the Trump-style “anti-establishment celebrity candidate” vibe. Who could overcome the intense Republican hate?? I see people toss names around like LeBron, or Winfrey, but seriously…?? I can’t see it. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 10, 2024 5:16:58 GMT
Trump won the election thanks to coalescing the generic protest vote around him as he is perceived as an outsider rather than a politician. It would be a mistake for the Democrats to once again run someone who feels like "a politician". If he were willing to go for it, Dan Osborn would be a very strong candidate- losing Nebraska by only 7% was an extremely good performance considering how Republican the state is. Whether he would be willing to accept the Democratic nomination is of course another matter. Personally I don’t think Dan Osborn is sufficiently well-known outside of Nebraska. He had a decent result there, but he wasn’t even running as a Democrat… which probably helped him. The publicity blitz would need to be extraordinary if he were to become a name known from San Diego up to Bangor. I don’t even know if Democrats can replicate the Trump-style “anti-establishment celebrity candidate” vibe. Who could overcome the intense Republican hate?? I see people toss names around like LeBron, or Winfrey, but seriously…?? I can’t see it. Osborn should run for Nebraska governor. In a Trump midterm, who knows? He won NE-01 and NE-02. There’s a lot to build on. The Great Plains states have deviated. Kansas re-elected Democrat Laura Kelly in 2018. The thing is. Republicans won’t run an outsider candidate in 2028 because 1) they’ll be the incumbent party; 2) they will likely run Vance; 3) they may run one of the Trump family. Trump was the only one who could run as an outsider. Democrats haven’t really run many outsiders: Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton could be called that. |
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Post by nyx on Nov 10, 2024 6:11:54 GMT
Democrats haven’t really run many outsiders: Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton could be called that. Of course they very nearly ran Bernie Sanders twice. I suspect Sanders would already be seen as the frontrunner in the 2028 primaries if not for the slight issue that electing an 87-year-old as president would be a bit far even for American standards. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 10, 2024 10:56:32 GMT
Just for a bit of fun, if its Gabbard v Whitmer, what do the misogynists do?  They vote for the Republican (who also happens to be the one they’d probably rather hook up with). Whitmer looks pretty good for her age tbf. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 10, 2024 11:05:30 GMT
They vote for the Republican (who also happens to be the one they’d probably rather hook up with). Whitmer looks pretty good for her age tbf. The classic paradox we face these days. She's a MILF, but she's younger than us.. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 10, 2024 11:19:47 GMT
As far as the handwringing about the 'failure' of the US to elect a female President and suggestions that this is down to 'mysogyny', of course this charge can only reasonably be levelled at Democrat voters. Republican voters have not had an opportunity to vote for a female Republican presidential candidate. Republican voters declined to vote for Hilary and for Harris, not because they were women, but because they were Democrats. Democrat voters (10 million of them at least who voted for Joe Biden) declined to vote for them for whatever reason. I'm dubious about 'mysogyny' being a significant reason (and some might suggest there are other reasons why millions of extra Democrat voters materialised in 2020 and vanished four years later), but if thats the charge being made, it can only be made towards one side.
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 10, 2024 21:49:28 GMT
You can't run as an anti-establishment candidate without being gratuitously rude about the establishment
About wizened old crones like Pelosi, about crooks like Biden, about philanderers like Clinton, about aristocratic parasites like the Kennedy clan, about make weights like Harris, about dweebs like Newsome
Good luck with finding a Dem candidate
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 6:57:55 GMT
Well, they've only themselves to blame. They unequivocally crushed the Bernie movement. Chickens came home to roost. The demographics Trump surged with. Many were big Bernie backers once. Latinos, young people, all bolted right. Trump depolarised age-based voting patterns. He also deracialsied voting a bit. Then they lick their wounds. Talk about needing to rebuild. They are talking out their arses. Even Josh Shapiro is pretty establishment. Run John Fetterman for the lols.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 11, 2024 11:46:50 GMT
The alternative reading is that no other GOP candidate can make the sort of inroads with those sorts of groups that Trump has.
Obviously this is a bad outcome, but some are going a bit overboard with what was basically a 50/50 result - as most POTUS elections have been since 2000. Arguably the only real exception since then is 2008, with the Republicans last winning big in 1988.
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 11:50:20 GMT
The alternative reading is that no other GOP candidate can make the sort of inroads with those sorts of groups that Trump has. Obviously this is a bad outcome, but some are going a bit overboard with what was basically a 50/50 result - as most POTUS elections have been since 2000. Arguably the only real exception since then is 2008, with the Republicans last winning big in 1988. Indeed. VP with an ageing President. It was the story of 2024. It could also be 2028 too. Trump will be 82 by then. He may well be unpopular. Vance is not Trump. He's a naked opportunist. He's also a chameleon shape shifter. Anti Trump until it suited him. Sure, they won, but no thanks to Vance. He brought nothing to the ticket. Rubio or Scott would've been better. Vance is just a sycophant ideologue. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:39:41 GMT
The Democrats should not run someone from the west coast no matter what. The region’s ideology is toxic.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 11, 2024 13:10:58 GMT
The Democrats should not run someone from the west coast no matter what. The region’s ideology is toxic. So you have the Right again? No point. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 11, 2024 13:16:34 GMT
The Democrats should not run someone from the west coast no matter what. The region’s ideology is toxic. So you have the Right again? No point. The democrats could definitely run with left wing economic ideas with a union type - but not excessively "progressive" social views. That is just toxic. Support for palestine: toxic Support for US equivalent of mermaids / transgender people in female sport: toxic Etc. |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 11, 2024 13:21:08 GMT
So you have the Right again? No point. The democrats could definitely run with left wing economic ideas with a union type - but not excessively "progressive" social views. That is just toxic. Support for palestine: toxic Support for mermaids / transgender people in female sport: toxic Etc. Won't work. Progressive liberals won't bother. I won't vote for that. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 13:22:09 GMT
Run John Fetterman for fuck's sake. He won Pennsylvania by 5 points. I'm totally not drunk right now. But there's power in a union. Fetterman crushed it in 2022.
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Post by aargauer on Nov 11, 2024 13:36:28 GMT
Run John Fetterman for fuck's sake. He won Pennsylvania by 5 points. I'm totally not drunk right now. But there's power in a union. Fetterman crushed it in 2022. For president? No. Way too many questions about his health. Post Biden that's not territory to get into. |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 11, 2024 13:49:38 GMT
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 13:55:04 GMT
Run John Fetterman for fuck's sake. He won Pennsylvania by 5 points. I'm totally not drunk right now. But there's power in a union. Fetterman crushed it in 2022. For president? No. Way too many questions about his health. Post Biden that's not territory to get into. Um? John Fetterman is 55. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 11, 2024 15:00:57 GMT
You can't be a far-right government if you win the popular vote. That is just not how arithmetic works. If you win more than 50% of the vote, then by definition a measurable % of your voters are left of centre. The bulk are mainstream right, a big chunk are hard right and you probably have the majority but not all of the far right.
If you think that a majority of people are far right, then it's you that's the problem
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