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Post by adlai52 on Nov 7, 2024 14:16:57 GMT
Just looked him up and yes, Howard Dean is still alive, and not all that old. Years since we heard anything of him. He was a very effective chair of the DNC and did a lot of organisational work that stood the party in good stead in 2006/2008 and beyond. He's popped up post-election with some criticism of the Dems neglect of working class and rural voters. It was a hallmark of his time as DNC chair that the Dems put in a lot of work (and had some success) in rural areas and traditionally republican areas. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 7, 2024 17:19:35 GMT
Vance vs Shapiro. I'm calling it now. Obviously, I have no real idea, but there's a lot of buyer's regret about Shapiro not being the VP and he's a pretty ambitious guy.
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 7, 2024 19:27:31 GMT
Shame that the American public seems so irrationally averse to electing a female POTUS, or else Gretchen Whitmer would really stand out for the Dems as a 2028 prospect. What evidence do you have that the US public are unwilling to elect a competent female candidate standing on a coherent platform and a defensible track record? Is this the same evidence that people trot out about the racist sexist Conservative party in the UK? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 7, 2024 19:29:07 GMT
Vance vs Shapiro. I'm calling it now. Obviously, I have no real idea, but there's a lot of buyer's regret about Shapiro not being the VP and he's a pretty ambitious guy. Non Buyers regret. It would not have swung Georgia, Wisonsin or North Carolina Nor oddly, Michigan |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 7, 2024 19:32:11 GMT
I imagine it’ll be another very crowded Democratic field like 2020 was, unfairly or not Harris is probably done after being the face of this defeat so there is no clear name and many will fancy giving it a go
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 7, 2024 22:47:38 GMT
Shame that the American public seems so irrationally averse to electing a female POTUS, or else Gretchen Whitmer would really stand out for the Dems as a 2028 prospect. What evidence do you have that the US public are unwilling to elect a competent female candidate standing on a coherent platform and a defensible track record? Nobody had voted for a President until George Washington No Vice President had been elected President until John Adams No Governor had been elected President until Jefferson No Representaive has been elected President until Madison No Senator had been elected President until Munroe No son of a previous President had been elected President until John Qunicy Adams No non-native English speaker ... until Van Buren No-one under 50 until Polk No left-hander until Garfield Nobody who lost re-election until Cleveland No Catholic until Kennedy etc etc etc |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2024 0:13:08 GMT
What evidence do you have that the US public are unwilling to elect a competent female candidate standing on a coherent platform and a defensible track record? Nobody who lost re-election until Cleveland He's the week's big loser, isn't he? No longer the sole answer to a common trivia question, no more the only person with two different presidential ordinal numbers. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Nov 8, 2024 0:37:02 GMT
Vance vs Shapiro. I'm calling it now. Since you ae wrong about everything my advice to everyone is to wager every penny to their name against this. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 8, 2024 5:35:43 GMT
Vance vs Shapiro. I'm calling it now. Since you ae wrong about everything my advice to everyone is to wager every penny to their name against this. You trolling me at 1 am says more about you than it does about me. |
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Post by batman on Nov 8, 2024 7:20:25 GMT
You can’t deny though that you got this badly wrong, though you were far from alone in that.
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2024 8:22:30 GMT
Shame that the American public seems so irrationally averse to electing a female POTUS, or else Gretchen Whitmer would really stand out for the Dems as a 2028 prospect. What evidence do you have that the US public are unwilling to elect a competent female candidate standing on a coherent platform and a defensible track record? Is this the same evidence that people trot out about the racist sexist Conservative party in the UK? Quite. A Midwestern/Rustbelt female senator/governor is a very different prospect than the two we've had so far (one of whom was a buggins turn job, and the other was a very late draftee where it was the only real choice that could be agreed on quickly). The political environments to get through primaries in the above states (especially the more competitive ones) and then entrench yourself to get reelected mean you have to have have some real political ability and record about you. And that's where I think the first female (Democratic) president will come from. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2024 8:27:10 GMT
Nobody who lost re-election until Cleveland He's the week's big loser, isn't he? No longer the sole answer to a common trivia question, no more the only person with two different presidential ordinal numbers. Trump's got to survive until January to lose both answers to the trivia questions he was the sole answer to regarding non-consecutive terms. And bearing in mind he strikes me as someone who, as clearly unhealthy as his lifestyle is and his age, will likely just drop dead rather than have a protracted illness I wouldn't be counting my chickens that he'll be inaugurated just yet... |
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Post by sanders on Nov 8, 2024 8:49:04 GMT
You can’t deny though that you got this badly wrong, though you were far from alone in that. I spent too much time watching secular talk and Let’s Talk Elections (both of which thought Harris would win). In 2020, I watched too much Red Eagle Politics, who thought Trump would win. I got 2016 right because I saw the parallels to Brexit. But “wrong about everything”? Well, I’ll let others be the judge of that. The forum predicted Harris winning. |
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Post by batman on Nov 8, 2024 9:06:48 GMT
yes, it did, but I didn't. I voted very sadly for a Trump win in the poll here. It was however you who assured us that it would be a very comfortable victory for Harris. I don't think anyone else here displayed such a high degree of certainty about that.
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Post by sanders on Nov 8, 2024 9:38:22 GMT
yes, it did, but I didn't. I voted very sadly for a Trump win in the poll here. It was however you who assured us that it would be a very comfortable victory for Harris. I don't think anyone else here displayed such a high degree of certainty about that. What do you want me to say? I can only go on the sources that have been credible for decades and decades like Lichtman etc. It's nice because it doesn't involve any critical thinking. Sometimes that approach works, and sometimes it doesn't. Either way, Lichtman has only got two elections wrong since 1984, so he's still got credibility. My main goal on this site isn't accuracy or truthfulness, it's attention-seeking, and in that regard, I got exactly what I wanted. |
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Post by irish observer on Nov 8, 2024 9:41:39 GMT
yes, it did, but I didn't. I voted very sadly for a Trump win in the poll here. It was however you who assured us that it would be a very comfortable victory for Harris. I don't think anyone else here displayed such a high degree of certainty about that. I also voted for a Trump win together with a Republican Senate and House. Went with the gut a few weeks ago and felt it was going that way. Didn't see Harris connecting and couldn't identify an achievement of hers. I would be a Democrat voter but many in Europe and UK are basically still Europe, sorry to burst some of your bubbles, don't understand all Republicans. Republican voters west of Mississippi and north of Mason-Dixon line much different than from old Solid South, we know who they used vote for also! |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 8, 2024 13:10:58 GMT
Shame that the American public seems so irrationally averse to electing a female POTUS, or else Gretchen Whitmer would really stand out for the Dems as a 2028 prospect. What evidence do you have that the US public are unwilling to elect a competent female candidate standing on a coherent platform and a defensible track record? Is this the same evidence that people trot out about the racist sexist Conservative party in the UK? I accept that HRC was unpopular, indeed I didn't/don't like her myself. I would have voted for her over Trump regardless. And for all the stick Harris gets, she was more presentable and less disliked. Indeed, she is pretty much a "generic Democrat" in the way that Starmer is "generic mainstream Labour" - that has both strengths and weaknesses. In the end the worldwide anti-incumbent trend may have counted for more though. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 9, 2024 0:57:36 GMT
Even Democrats did not like her.
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 9, 2024 3:52:53 GMT
Joe Biden is of course still eligible to run again in 2028.
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Post by stb12 on Nov 9, 2024 4:07:04 GMT
Joe Biden is of course still eligible to run again in 2028. So is Jimmy Carter |
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