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Post by sanders on Oct 20, 2024 17:49:23 GMT
It is a reasonable observation that the Green Party have become a convenient pis aller for many of those left-wingers who find the post-2020 Labour Party unpalatable or who have been expelled from Labour. This is particularly so where the local Green Party was not large to start with, and the number of Labour defectors have overwhelmed them - and Wirral would be one very good example. The Green party have done well locally - particularly the Labour party in Wirral, including some council problems. I know one councillor who left Labour - she is on the left, but joined at least five years ago. Certainly I'd vote for her, rather than Alison McGovern MP! Haven't Wirral Labour run the show since 2012? Ructions and voter fatigue aren't surprising (at least in that context). Cf. Sefton. |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 20, 2024 17:57:32 GMT
The Green party have done well locally - particularly the Labour party in Wirral, including some council problems. I know one councillor who left Labour - she is on the left, but joined at least five years ago. Certainly I'd vote for her, rather than Alison McGovern MP! Haven't Wirral Labour run the show since 2012? Ructions and voter fatigue aren't surprising (at least in that context). Cf. Sefton. For the Wirral... Party in Control Years No overall control 1974–1975 Conservative 1975–1986 No overall control 1986–1991 Labour 1991–1992 No overall control 1992–1995 Labour 1995–2002 No overall control 2002–2012 Labour 2012–2019 No overall control 2019–present Either Labour or NOC. Party Councillors Labour 29 Conservative 17 Green 14 Liberal Democrats. 6 Total 66 Sefton is overwhelmingly Labour |
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Post by mrtoad on Oct 21, 2024 11:53:42 GMT
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Post by michaelarden on Oct 21, 2024 15:17:11 GMT
It is a reasonable observation that the Green Party have become a convenient pis aller for many of those left-wingers who find the post-2020 Labour Party unpalatable or who have been expelled from Labour. This is particularly so where the local Green Party was not large to start with, and the number of Labour defectors have overwhelmed them - and Wirral would be one very good example. That may well be the case - but the Greens have taken the Lib Dem playbook adapted (and possibly improved it) accordingly, so even if the party is 'overwhelmed' by Labour defectors they're playing by Lib Dem rules - which is a very different (and less ideological) beast. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 21, 2024 15:21:19 GMT
It is a reasonable observation that the Green Party have become a convenient pis aller for many of those left-wingers who find the post-2020 Labour Party unpalatable or who have been expelled from Labour. This is particularly so where the local Green Party was not large to start with, and the number of Labour defectors have overwhelmed them - and Wirral would be one very good example. That may well be the case - but the Greens have taken the Lib Dem playbook adapted (and possibly improved it) accordingly, so even if the party is 'overwhelmed' by Labour defectors they're playing by Lib Dem rules - which is a very different (and less ideological) beast. "Neither one thing nor the other, but something in between". |
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Post by sanders on Oct 21, 2024 15:22:04 GMT
It is a reasonable observation that the Green Party have become a convenient pis aller for many of those left-wingers who find the post-2020 Labour Party unpalatable or who have been expelled from Labour. This is particularly so where the local Green Party was not large to start with, and the number of Labour defectors have overwhelmed them - and Wirral would be one very good example. That may well be the case - but the Greens have taken the Lib Dem playbook adapted (and possibly improved it) accordingly, so even if the party is 'overwhelmed' by Labour defectors they're playing by Lib Dem rules - which is a very different (and less ideological) beast. Exactly. The Lib Dems are a Home Counties protest party now. That realignment began in 2017 and it was in full swing in 2019 and came home to the roost for the Tories in 2024. In many areas of the inner cities, especially, the Greens are now what the Lib Dems were in the 2000s. Let's see if it lasts. |
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Post by certain on Nov 3, 2024 11:47:36 GMT
The Falkirk byelection report in The Herald give no figures at all other than the turnout. It just says it was "close run". The Falkirk Herald says that the runner-up was "pipped at the post". Is a majority of 111 "pipped"? I wonder whether the journalist even saw or heard the final result at all, but just guessed it was close. The final figures should be included in the Declaration. |
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 3, 2024 13:51:23 GMT
The Falkirk byelection report in The Herald give no figures at all other than the turnout. It just says it was "close run". The Falkirk Herald says that the runner-up was "pipped at the post". Is a majority of 111 "pipped"? I wonder whether the journalist even saw or heard the final result at all, but just guessed it was close. The final figures should be included in the Declaration. I think being in the lead up to the final tranfer stage and then being overtaken would reasonably well fit the definition of “pipped at the post” |
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Post by batman on Nov 3, 2024 18:37:09 GMT
that's what happened to me in the selection for the Richmond Park by-election  |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 3, 2024 19:03:58 GMT
the Green Party have become a convenient pis aller for many of those left-wingers who find the post-2020 Labour Party unpalatable every day is a school day I did woodwork |
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