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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2024 20:48:01 GMT
An offer has been made of a non-party candidate, which LFI have refused. Meanwhile, Laurent Wauquiez has set out his list* of demands for the Continuity LR to take part in government. Some loons are calling for LFI and LR to go into government together. *it has come true, we now have a list of things that are Wauq. is the 'horse shoe' theorists pushing that? LFI and RN would be horseshoe. LFI and LR is more like a saddle on a cow! |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 15, 2024 20:53:56 GMT
is the 'horse shoe' theorists pushing that? LFI and RN would be horseshoe. LFI and LR is more like a saddle on a cow! Funny, but not real |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 15, 2024 23:12:42 GMT
In news that will shock nobody, several of the purged LFI candidates have been talking to the press about the nature of their removal (several of these were sitting deputies). It sounds like several were removed by email, and in other cases, other deputies were sent to tell them. At least one was apparently not informed until another candidate was suddenly announced. There was no procedure, no appeal, no communication. But then if you join a political cult led by a megalomaniac and his girlfriend, what do you expect? Why are you bringing the German BSW into the French election thread?  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 16, 2024 7:43:13 GMT
The academic Laurence Tubiana has now been proposed by the other NFP parties(as noted up thread by Relique), LFI say no again.
Do the others give it one more go and then sod them off?
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Post by john07 on Jul 16, 2024 15:00:20 GMT
It struck me that French politics has more of a whiff of the old 4th Republic about it.
Then there were two parties on the Right and on the Left that others would not work with: the Gaullists and the PCF. There was a group of small parties in the middle who collaborated to keep the above out of office including the SFIO, the MRP, the Radicals. Back then there was a PR list statements in operation except that if one party or group of parties won 50%+ in a given electoral division they would get all seats. The Gaullists and the Communists could rarely achieve this bur the centre parties often could.
Now we have the FN on the Right and LFI on the left. No one appears prepared to work with them. So are we going to get a similar situation to the 1950s?
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Post by relique on Jul 18, 2024 19:04:55 GMT
So today the president of the national assembly was elected. Braun-Pivet (ensemble) won on the third vote with 220 votes against Chassaigne (NFP PCF) at 207.
Two things interesting:
- LR withdrew after the first round to support Braun-Pivet,
- 17 members of the government were allowed to take part to the vote while constitution forbids members of government to be legislators at the same time.
Why was that allowed ?
Macron agreed the government's quitting (that Attal offered after the second round of legislative elections) yesterday and they have seem to believe that it is enough...
Their view of the legislation is quite...worrying.
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Post by right on Jul 18, 2024 19:29:15 GMT
So today the president of the national assembly was elected. Braun-Pivet (ensemble) won on the third vote with 220 votes against Chassaigne (NFP PCF) at 207. Two things interesting: - LR withdrew after the first round to support Braun-Pivet, - 17 members of the government were allowed to take part to the vote while constitution forbids members of government to be legislators at the same time. Why was that allowed ? Macron agreed the government's quitting (that Attal offered after the second round of legislative elections) yesterday and they have seem to believe that it is enough... Their view of the legislation is quite...worrying. Who voted for the government? I thought a majority was impossible without RN or at least some of the NFP |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 18, 2024 19:37:14 GMT
So today the president of the national assembly was elected. Braun-Pivet (ensemble) won on the third vote with 220 votes against Chassaigne (NFP PCF) at 207. Two things interesting: - LR withdrew after the first round to support Braun-Pivet, - 17 members of the government were allowed to take part to the vote while constitution forbids members of government to be legislators at the same time. Why was that allowed ? Macron agreed the government's quitting (that Attal offered after the second round of legislative elections) yesterday and they have seem to believe that it is enough... Their view of the legislation is quite...worrying. Who voted for the government? I thought a majority was impossible without RN or at least some of the NFP |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 18, 2024 19:58:14 GMT
Watching the leadership of NFP complain that the LR-Macron deal is just a cobbled-together alliance to win a vote is quite amusing.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 18, 2024 21:59:58 GMT
Watching the leadership of NFP complain that the LR-Macron deal is just a cobbled-together alliance to win a vote is quite amusing. When I become Dictator of the World, I will insist that France should have a stable set of proper political parties, enduring over decades, instead of constantly changing and reforming them. In my formative years, the four main parties were Left: Communist Left: Socialist Centre-right: Union for French Democracy Right: Rally for the Republic and they fitted properly into the two-round election system, whereby voters rejected in the first round, and selected in the second round. Now they are stupid enough to have a large centre party (Emanuel Macron’s Marching Whatever Stupid Name Party), and two opposition coalitions (one on the right, one on the left) both of which are stupid enough not to be able to win properly. If they still don’t decide to behave properly, I might order them to use FPTP instead. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 18, 2024 22:03:20 GMT
Watching the leadership of NFP complain that the LR-Macron deal is just a cobbled-together alliance to win a vote is quite amusing. When I become Dictator of the World, I will insist that France should have a stable set of proper political parties, enduring over decades, instead of constantly changing and reforming them. In my formative years, the four main parties were Left: Communist Left: Socialist Centre-right: Union for French Democracy Right: Rally for the Republic and they fitted properly into the two-round election system, whereby voters rejected in the first round, and selected in the second round. Now they are stupid enough to have a large centre party (Emanuel Macron’s Marching Whatever Stupid Name Party), and two opposition coalitions (one on the right, one on the left) both of which are stupid enough not to be able to win properly. If they still don’t decide to behave properly, I might order them to use FPTP instead. I'm still confused by Les Republicans who seemed to go from next best thing to faded away without any intermediate steps. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 19, 2024 12:03:34 GMT
When I become Dictator of the World, I will insist that France should have a stable set of proper political parties, enduring over decades, instead of constantly changing and reforming them. In my formative years, the four main parties were Left: Communist Left: Socialist Centre-right: Union for French Democracy Right: Rally for the Republic and they fitted properly into the two-round election system, whereby voters rejected in the first round, and selected in the second round. Now they are stupid enough to have a large centre party (Emanuel Macron’s Marching Whatever Stupid Name Party), and two opposition coalitions (one on the right, one on the left) both of which are stupid enough not to be able to win properly. If they still don’t decide to behave properly, I might order them to use FPTP instead. I'm still confused by Les Republicans who seemed to go from next best thing to faded away without any intermediate steps. Their best people either went to work for Manu or dropped out of politics. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 19, 2024 13:00:28 GMT
Watching the leadership of NFP complain that the LR-Macron deal is just a cobbled-together alliance to win a vote is quite amusing. the reliance on the right will continue to alienate centre left voters driving them to the NPF |
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Post by right on Jul 19, 2024 13:13:30 GMT
Thank you. So the fact that the Macronistas and LR win this vote doesn't mean they can form a government |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 19, 2024 15:42:51 GMT
The first round of voting for vice-presidents has been annulled. There were ten more voting slips than there were voters!
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