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Post by r34t on Jul 9, 2024 12:38:49 GMT
though voters have rewarded the social democratic party with 40 extra seats Good for them, but they are now slaves of Melenchon, like the other German right wing parties who sucked up to Hitler. Godwin's Law definitely applies here .......
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Post by rcronald on Jul 9, 2024 12:41:34 GMT
Good for them, but they are now slaves of Melenchon, like the other German right wing parties who sucked up to Hitler. Godwin's Law definitely applies here ....... Tbf (to me 😅), Melenchon is probably the only left of centre politician I’ve ever compared to a Nazi in the 3 years I’m here. Just goes to show how much I hate him and how I view his voter base.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jul 9, 2024 13:43:40 GMT
I acknowledge his point, but it's not a given that whatever left of centre coalition is formed will be a disaster. It may end up quite popular. Most of the left can't stand each other, most of the centre cant stand most of the left and vice versa and the centre-right have been decimated. The chances of any coalition being formed are remote, and the chances of it being popular even more so We'll have to wait and see I guess
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 9, 2024 13:49:25 GMT
I think that we have already seen peak Melenchon, he is now over 70 and it is arguably quite reasonable if the PS are actually looking to the longer term. The PS could do with LFI imploding. can't see that happening
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Post by ArmchairCritic on Jul 9, 2024 15:02:53 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this.
Fucking disgusting.
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 9, 2024 16:11:39 GMT
The possible 'coalitions':-
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Post by right on Jul 9, 2024 16:18:45 GMT
The possible 'coalitions':- Scenario 5 could be done with just the Socialists. I know it's not as simple, but that's the numbers
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 9, 2024 16:22:51 GMT
So basically all that's needed is the PS to shaft their NFP partners and enter a coalition with Ens and LR?
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Post by right on Jul 9, 2024 16:48:05 GMT
So basically all that's needed is the PS to shaft their NFP partners and enter a coalition with Ens and LR? Yes, that's all
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Post by relique on Jul 9, 2024 17:18:03 GMT
So basically all that's needed is the PS to shaft their NFP partners and enter a coalition with Ens and LR? Well, as LR won't go with Ensemble as long as Wauquiez (who opportunistically rejoin the national assembly to get back control on the troops) is the head of their grouping. And that's what he aims. And PS won't secede until the NFP government has been tested (and eventually censured). Today Faure claimed the prime ministership. I don't see him going to prop up Attal. (And I don't see macronists censuring Faure to then get the lead in a government propped up by Faure) The only two alternatives I see for the moment: - RN doesn't censure Attal (thus ensuring the left doesn't get their hands on Matignon) - The left gets the top job and then it's a question of time before another censure (but if it's a moderate left PM I don't see how the macronists can censure when they need moderate left to govern) Modem's troops are already saying they want to go into alliance with NFP. Houlié's grouping seems to be aiming that. And Pradié wants to do a group too (he vehemently opposed the pension reform and is elected in socialiste territory). With LIOT as well... There could be a way for the left to stay in power for one year... After that it will be hard...
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 9, 2024 17:56:24 GMT
So basically all that's needed is the PS to shaft their NFP partners and enter a coalition with Ens and LR? and yet it won't happen
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 9, 2024 18:01:23 GMT
So basically all that's needed is the PS to shaft their NFP partners and enter a coalition with Ens and LR? Well, as LR won't go with Ensemble as long as Wauquiez (who opportunistically rejoin the national assembly to get back control on the troops) is the head of their grouping. And that's what he aims. And PS won't secede until the NFP government has been tested (and eventually censured). Today Faure claimed the prime ministership. I don't see him going to prop up Attal. (And I don't see macronists censuring Faure to then get the lead in a government propped up by Faure) The only two alternatives I see for the moment: - RN doesn't censure Attal (thus ensuring the left doesn't get their hands on Matignon) - The left gets the top job and then it's a question of time before another censure (but if it's a moderate left PM I don't see how the macronists can censure when they need moderate left to govern) Modem's troops are already saying they want to go into alliance with NFP. Houlié's grouping seems to be aiming that. And Pradié wants to do a group too (he vehemently opposed the pension reform and is elected in socialiste territory). With LIOT as well... There could be a way for the left to stay in power for one year... After that it will be hard... probably the only thing that the modems have done I agree with
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 9, 2024 20:41:06 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this. Fucking disgusting. In fairness, the French had agreed to back out of a lot of it before Covid and various other things went on. And it's a bit unfair to blame Macron for decades of Françafrique politics and exploration by his predecessors. He has actually tried to do something about it. Meloni has a solid point though. The French territories in the Pacific have their own franc still- but Euros are in use in the Caribbean, Réunion and Mayotte though. A bit odd.
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Post by right on Jul 9, 2024 20:46:24 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this. Fucking disgusting. In fairness, the French had agreed to back out of a lot of it before Covid and various other things went on. And it's a bit unfair to blame Macron for decades of Françafrique politics and exploration by his predecessors. He has actually tried to do something about it. Meloni has a solid point though. The French territories in the Pacific have their own franc still- but Euros are in use in the Caribbean, Réunion and Mayotte though. A bit odd. There's also the resentment of other big EU countries against the Franco-German motor, something that Europhiles here should support as breaking that motor would make their case so much easier. But they don't.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 9, 2024 21:07:56 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this. Fucking disgusting. Yes, I agree it's shocking that the head of government (who probably wouldn't have a problem with the practice if the Ethiopian lira were a thing) in a supposedly modern, democratic, western country is given a platform to spew bile towards a neighbour by bringing props to a prime time interview, completely unchallenged by the journalist sitting opposite her for over a minute. Where I disagree is that I don't think the domestic Italian law on television regulation is something the incoming French government need concern itself with.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 9, 2024 22:33:46 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this. Fucking disgusting. You tell'em girl. Those Frenchies don't like it up 'em and are unused to this sort of reasoned attack and abuse. What a wonderful politician she is and if only we could have a few like her in the Reform party to kick arses over here. Long Live the Revolution (ahem) 'The Much needed Reform'!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 9, 2024 22:37:40 GMT
I wonder what any new French government will do about this. Fucking disgusting. You tell'em girl. Those Frenchies don't like it up 'em and are unused to this sort of reasoned attack and abuse. What a wonderful politician she is and if only we could have a few like her in the Reform party to kick arses over here. Long Live the Revolution (ahem) 'The Much needed Reform'! We do have one or two, but 'spewing bile' will never sound as good over here as it does in that wonderful Italian
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Post by relique on Jul 10, 2024 5:08:01 GMT
I heard thousands of times those arguments (maybe with less caricature and pretend outrage) in French politics.
How is it "sticking to them" ?
I taught a twenty hour course on "the end of franc CFA", I despise the big multinational (private) companies which exploit African territories and mines and use corruption to get their profits up (I thought some of you defended capitalism, though, I'm happy you seem to convert to trotskyism, even though that's not my cup of tea). And I'm really not an exception in France. It's quite accepted.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 10, 2024 6:35:37 GMT
You tell'em girl. Those Frenchies don't like it up 'em and are unused to this sort of reasoned attack and abuse. What a wonderful politician she is and if only we could have a few like her in the Reform party to kick arses over here. Long Live the Revolution (ahem) 'The Much needed Reform'! We do have one or two, but 'spewing bile' will never sound as good over here as it does in that wonderful Italian In a strong Roman accent to boot. You could cut it with a bread-knife.
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 10, 2024 7:31:16 GMT
I heard thousands of times those arguments (maybe with less caricature and pretend outrage) in French politics. How is it "sticking to them" ? I taught a twenty hour course on "the end of franc CFA", I despise the big multinational (private) companies which exploit African territories and mines and use corruption to get their profits up (I thought some of you defended capitalism, though, I'm happy you seem to convert to trotskyism, even though that's not my cup of tea). And I'm really not an exception in France. It's quite accepted. Ah, but it's not just capitalism, it's state capitalism - "the merger of state and corporate power" - Mussolini's definition of fascism.
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