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Post by relique on Jul 10, 2024 8:58:36 GMT
I heard thousands of times those arguments (maybe with less caricature and pretend outrage) in French politics. How is it "sticking to them" ? I taught a twenty hour course on "the end of franc CFA", I despise the big multinational (private) companies which exploit African territories and mines and use corruption to get their profits up (I thought some of you defended capitalism, though, I'm happy you seem to convert to trotskyism, even though that's not my cup of tea). And I'm really not an exception in France. It's quite accepted. Ah, but it's not just capitalism, it's state capitalism - "the merger of state and corporate power" - Mussolini's definition of fascism. I agree this is a government completely understand the influence of corporate greed. I don't think that's Mussolini's definition... Or rather, Mussolini when he was a fascist leader. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 10, 2024 14:11:09 GMT
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Post by relique on Jul 10, 2024 14:31:54 GMT
They're chanting "Vive la Palestine".
Could you stop disparaging my country by spreading fake news ?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 10, 2024 14:35:01 GMT
It's not even if they're saying something which could be construed as anything else
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Post by iain on Jul 10, 2024 14:35:18 GMT
They aren't chanting that? |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jul 10, 2024 15:42:52 GMT
It's not even if they're saying something which could be construed as anything else It's not the first time prominent Revisionist Zionists have tried to conflate support for Palestine with antisemitism too. Sadly a common tactic since the well-publicised human rights violations during the IDF intervention in Gaza increased antipathy for the more extreme elements of Zionism. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 16:12:33 GMT
It's not even if they're saying something which could be construed as anything else Yes, it's not like you need to speak fluent french to realise that the tweet is lying bollocks |
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Post by relique on Jul 12, 2024 8:13:55 GMT
Darmanin tried to take the top job in Renaissance grouping in the assembly but got beaten by PM Attal who, unlike Darmanin, was against dissolution and spent the campaign helping other MPs rather than staying in his constituency.
Darmanin even tried to throw his support to Borne who wanted to represent the left wing macronists just so Attal wouldn't get the job.
All those people did that without Macron's approval who didn't want his ministers to chase parliamentary jobs as they can't while in government. So they are basically saying that they moved on from government while Macron has not.
Fears are that divisions in the Renaissance grouping could lead to losses in seats (some speak of close to 40 people that could leave depending on who's the new boss...). Already a couple have left to Modem and Horizon the two allies while one other grouping from the left wing is in motion.
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Post by relique on Jul 12, 2024 20:04:03 GMT
Today, the left have more or less officialy shown their cards.
Insoumis have proposed four names for the PM job: Mélenchon, of course, but also Bompard (head of LFI), Panot (head of LFI grouping) and Guetté. All very close to Mélenchon.
PS are trying to force a Faure government.
Roussel (PCF), though prefering Faure from the four others, tried to propose a consensual candidate for PM: Huguette Bello, head of PLR (Pour la Réunion), a dissident group from PCR (Parti Communiste Réunionnais, she left them when they asked her to switch her constituency), head of the Regional Council of La Réunion, more than 20 years an MP (in the communist grouping), she supported Mélenchon in both 2017 and 2022 presidential elections and was a "support" candidate at the bottom of the european insoumis list in 2024. She used to be mayor of Saint-Paul.
She quite adeptly managed the unity of the left in La Réunion (and even managed to be supported by local Modems at some point).
The only problem is the PS who say she's not enough of a supporter of same sex marriage (she actually performed herself the first same sex marriage of La Réunion, saying that as it is law, there shouldn't be any obstacle to it; and she wasn't present when the vote occurred so she never said no).
She's quite an interesting profile: a true over-seas representative, she is quite popular where she was elected. She's also a black woman, but I think the fact that she is from over-seas territories to be more important. Macronists will have a tough time censuring the first PM with this background. There's a recent soundbite of Attal saying that she was a "true republican" despite their differences of opinion...
(Of course, Michel Debré used to be an MP from La Réunion, but after his prime ministership. Raymond Barre was also from La Réunion but elected in Lyon).
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Post by matureleft on Jul 15, 2024 11:14:12 GMT
I note that the French national auditor has given a fairly strong warning on debt levels. Forming a government with that context is going to be rather tough.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 15, 2024 11:24:44 GMT
I don't think there was any way Macron was going to let Mélenchon try his 'Trussism of the left', even if it would demonstrate to everyone why it's such a stupid idea.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2024 11:36:59 GMT
In news that will shock nobody, several of the purged LFI candidates have been talking to the press about the nature of their removal (several of these were sitting deputies).
It sounds like several were removed by email, and in other cases, other deputies were sent to tell them. At least one was apparently not informed until another candidate was suddenly announced. There was no procedure, no appeal, no communication.
But then if you join a political cult led by a megalomaniac and his girlfriend, what do you expect?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 15, 2024 11:50:28 GMT
I don't think there was any way Macron was going to let Mélenchon try his 'Trussism of the left', even if it would demonstrate to everyone why it's such a stupid idea. wasn't going to happen anyway |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 15, 2024 11:54:57 GMT
In news that will shock nobody, several of the purged LFI candidates have been talking to the press about the nature of their removal (several of these were sitting deputies). It sounds like several were removed by email, and in other cases, other deputies were sent to tell them. At least one was apparently not informed until another candidate was suddenly announced. There was no procedure, no appeal, no communication. But then if you join a political cult led by a megalomaniac and his girlfriend, what do you expect? It sounds a lot like how the coupon was distributed in the 1918 UK General Election. |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 12:13:23 GMT
In news that will shock nobody, several of the purged LFI candidates have been talking to the press about the nature of their removal (several of these were sitting deputies). It sounds like several were removed by email, and in other cases, other deputies were sent to tell them. At least one was apparently not informed until another candidate was suddenly announced. There was no procedure, no appeal, no communication. But then if you join a political cult led by a megalomaniac and his girlfriend, what do you expect? It sounds a lot like how the coupon was distributed in the 1918 UK General Election. I did think that the second round was a bit like the coupon election with certain dissimilarities like, you know, anaemic public support. But the first round for the left could have been like that as well. I was going to make some snarky comment about how this didn't hold back Labour so good luck with the Le Pens, but the general shape of inter war "respectable" voting blocs did actually hold back Labour quite effectively even if they were advancing on the ground |
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Post by andrea on Jul 15, 2024 12:58:03 GMT
In news that will shock nobody, several of the purged LFI candidates have been talking to the press about the nature of their removal (several of these were sitting deputies). It sounds like several were removed by email, and in other cases, other deputies were sent to tell them. At least one was apparently not informed until another candidate was suddenly announced. There was no procedure, no appeal, no communication. But then if you join a political cult led by a megalomaniac and his girlfriend, what do you expect? It sounds like candidates selection in every party in Italy. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2024 18:47:09 GMT
An offer has been made of a non-party candidate, which LFI have refused.
Meanwhile, Laurent Wauquiez has set out his list* of demands for the Continuity LR to take part in government.
Some loons are calling for LFI and LR to go into government together.
*it has come true, we now have a list of things that are Wauq.
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Post by relique on Jul 15, 2024 18:53:28 GMT
An offer has been made of a non-party candidate, which LFI have refused. Meanwhile, Laurent Wauquiez has set out his list* of demands for the Continuity LR to take part in government. Some loons are calling for LFI and LR to go into government together. *it has come true, we now have a list of things that are Wauq. The PM candidate is Laurence Tubiana, head of the AFD administration council, climate economist, former top negotiator for the Paris COP. And also an algerian-descent jew...  She was quite close to Jospin. Now that all the others have joined for a non partisan candidate, insoumis are throwing a tantrum saying they don't want to talk PM until they all agree on a candidate for the president of the national assembly. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 15, 2024 19:03:14 GMT
An offer has been made of a non-party candidate, which LFI have refused. Meanwhile, Laurent Wauquiez has set out his list* of demands for the Continuity LR to take part in government. Some loons are calling for LFI and LR to go into government together. *it has come true, we now have a list of things that are Wauq. is the 'horse shoe' theorists pushing that? |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 20:41:07 GMT
An offer has been made of a non-party candidate, which LFI have refused. Meanwhile, Laurent Wauquiez has set out his list* of demands for the Continuity LR to take part in government. Some loons are calling for LFI and LR to go into government together. *it has come true, we now have a list of things that are Wauq. LR goinf into power with the Left would seem to me a gift to RN, but I don't understand French politics |
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