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Post by Clark on Jun 6, 2024 13:08:23 GMT
I've seen a few posts from random people on Facebook saying they went to school with Douglas Ross and how he was a bully to them and others.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 6, 2024 13:38:35 GMT
Ross makes decision. IMHO he's been rather good in the Scottish Affairs Committee so I rather hope he beats the Nats. Really? I hope the SNP beat Ross. Nasty character. |
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Post by Sandy on Jun 6, 2024 15:02:02 GMT
I've seen a few posts from random people on Facebook saying they went to school with Douglas Ross and how he was a bully to them and others. To be fair to Ross there is a litany of sins to judge him for without going to dig up dirt from long ago. |
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Post by batman on Jun 6, 2024 15:11:25 GMT
Maybe Ross wants to be Tory leader. And maybe I want to be Benjamin Disraeli… come on now Ronald, try harder |
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Post by batman on Jun 6, 2024 15:12:41 GMT
Are people suggesting that Douglas is a slippery Moray East eel?
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Post by rcronald on Jun 6, 2024 15:17:55 GMT
And maybe I want to be Benjamin Disraeli… come on now Ronald, try harder Yes, it’s probably too realistic compared to Ross becoming Tory leader… |
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Post by xenon on Jun 6, 2024 15:36:18 GMT
If Ross is elected and has any sort of decency he should promise to resign the seat and allow Duguid to stand in the resulting by-election as soon as his health allows.
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Post by batman on Jun 6, 2024 15:57:21 GMT
Well that would be the decent thing to do, but it wouldn't necessarily result in a Tory victory.
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 6, 2024 20:36:17 GMT
Holyrood Sources podcast suggesting that there is more to the switch than is being reported - but if so, why don't the Scots Tories put it into the public domain?
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 6, 2024 21:09:55 GMT
Mr Duguid has been unwell for a number of weeks and it is understood that the decision to effectively deselect him has been made on health grounds. I’m sorry but that doesn’t wash given the man himself said he was looking forward to standing again. Even worse was Ross justifying it by comparing it to Craig MacKinlay - except it was MacKinlay himself who said he would not stand again on the basis of the earlier election. Duguid himself has never said anything of the sort. A new low from Ross clearly. If it were up to ‘party officials’ (and clearly not local in this case) to deselect people based on their own external perception of ‘health grounds‘ then that leads to a slippery (and quite frankly ageist/ableist) path and we would have seen the careers of people like Dennis Skinner and Ken Clarke (though Johnson effectively deselected him anyway!) curtailed much earlier than was the case. |
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Post by batman on Jun 6, 2024 21:27:33 GMT
There is a bit of a parallel with Diane Abbott. The difference is that Labour has endorsed her but the Tories have shown no compassion re Duguid. Though Abbott has not been hospitalised recently, she is generally thought to have at best indifferent health.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 6, 2024 21:43:03 GMT
Holyrood Sources podcast suggesting that there is more to the switch than is being reported - but if so, why don't the Scots Tories put it into the public domain? I heard that podcast, as I do all their podcasts, but I have not heard whatever Andy Maciver has, though even he is not able to properly articulate whatever that was. The impression that I have, and that many of us within the party have including some of our parliamentarians, and we're not a large party, is similar to the public image. If this is not the case, then they have handled it in the most appallingly cackhanded manner and that's almost as bad. What I do agree with Maciver on is that he's not a Holyrood politician, which is why the Carlaw coup was a bad move. If they were so determined to move, Davidson's clique should have swallowed their pride and put in Murdo Fraser or someone similar, a combative but consensus friendly politician. To make this right, I do not agree with xenon , I think Ross should stay in situ in Moray East, but, if he wins, he should resign as leader and allow the Holyrood group to rebrand as The Caledonian Party or whatever and dig in. This looks appalling to our voters, it conjures up so many "nasty party" images and we need to nip that in the bud. |
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Post by greyfriar on Jun 6, 2024 21:50:18 GMT
Mr Duguid has been unwell for a number of weeks and it is understood that the decision to effectively deselect him has been made on health grounds. I’m sorry but that doesn’t wash given the man himself said he was looking forward to standing again. Even worse was Ross justifying it by comparing it to Craig MacKinlay - except it was MacKinlay himself who said he would not stand again on the basis of the earlier election. Duguid himself has never said anything of the sort. A new low from Ross clearly. If it were up to ‘party officials’ (and clearly not local in this case) to deselect people based on their own external perception of ‘health grounds‘ then that leads to a slippery (and quite frankly ageist/ableist) path and we would have seen the careers of people like Dennis Skinner and Ken Clarke (though Johnson effectively deselected him anyway!) curtailed much earlier than was the case. To be clear the quoted text is an excerpt from the linked article, not my own words. |
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Post by xenon on Jun 6, 2024 22:01:55 GMT
Holyrood Sources podcast suggesting that there is more to the switch than is being reported - but if so, why don't the Scots Tories put it into the public domain? I heard that podcast, as I do all their podcasts, but I have not heard whatever Andy Maciver has. The impression that I have, and that many of us within the party have including some of our parliamentarians, and we're not a large party, is similar to the public image. If this is not the case, then they have handled it in the most appallingly cackhanded manner and that's almost as bad. What I do agree with Maciver on is that he's not a Holyrood politician, which is why the Carlaw coup was a bad move. If they were so determined to move, Davidson's clique should have swallowed their pride and put in Murdo Fraser or someone similar, a combative but consensus friendly politician. To make this right, I do not agree with xenon, I think Ross should stay in situ in Moray East, but, if he wins, he should resign as leader and allow the Holyrood group to rebrand as The Caledonian Party or whatever and dig in. This looks appalling to our voters, it conjures up so many "nasty party" images and we need to nip that in the bud. Whisper it quietly, but I could see the Scottish Tories divorcing the English party and morphing into a CAQ analogue with a more pro-devolution approach (or at least not having the sole policy as "Down with the SNP"), and could be very popular with rural small-C conservative SNP voters. Works well with an incoming Labour government too, particularly if you don't mind rehashing the SNP's old "It's Scotland's Oil" mantra (which to be fair Swinney and Forbes seem to want to do too). There is a part of me that wonders if Ross thinks that by clinging on as an MP he can go from being a big fish in a small pond (Holyrood) to a big fish in a big pond (Westminster) once two-thirds or more of the Tory parliamentary party have been washed away. I don't think he'd be daft enough to try for the leadership (particularly given CCHQ forgets he exists most of the time, or force him to excruciatingly defend their latest drivel), but he could be thinking that he can get a shadow cabinet role and some say in the direction they take for the next five years. Besides, unless Swinney performs a miracle or the incoming Labour government are beyond woeful, then Ross is relying more and more on luck to make his dwindling number of MSPs relevant after 2026 – if SNP+Con falls below 64 Holyrood seats then his influence is all but gone and he may well have to resign the Scottish leadership anyway. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 6, 2024 22:50:04 GMT
I heard that podcast, as I do all their podcasts, but I have not heard whatever Andy Maciver has. The impression that I have, and that many of us within the party have including some of our parliamentarians, and we're not a large party, is similar to the public image. If this is not the case, then they have handled it in the most appallingly cackhanded manner and that's almost as bad. What I do agree with Maciver on is that he's not a Holyrood politician, which is why the Carlaw coup was a bad move. If they were so determined to move, Davidson's clique should have swallowed their pride and put in Murdo Fraser or someone similar, a combative but consensus friendly politician. To make this right, I do not agree with xenon , I think Ross should stay in situ in Moray East, but, if he wins, he should resign as leader and allow the Holyrood group to rebrand as The Caledonian Party or whatever and dig in. This looks appalling to our voters, it conjures up so many "nasty party" images and we need to nip that in the bud. Whisper it quietly, but I could see the Scottish Tories divorcing the English party and morphing into a CAQ analogue with a more pro-devolution approach (or at least not having the sole policy as "Down with the SNP"), and could be very popular with rural small-C conservative SNP voters. Works well with an incoming Labour government too, particularly if you don't mind rehashing the SNP's old "It's Scotland's Oil" mantra (which to be fair Swinney and Forbes seem to want to do too). There is a part of me that wonders if Ross thinks that by clinging on as an MP he can go from being a big fish in a small pond (Holyrood) to a big fish in a big pond (Westminster) once two-thirds or more of the Tory parliamentary party have been washed away. I don't think he'd be daft enough to try for the leadership (particularly given CCHQ forgets he exists most of the time, or force him to excruciatingly defend their latest drivel), but he could be thinking that he can get a shadow cabinet role and some say in the direction they take for the next five years. Besides, unless Swinney performs a miracle or the incoming Labour government are beyond woeful, then Ross is relying more and more on luck to make his dwindling number of MSPs relevant after 2026 – if SNP+Con falls below 64 Holyrood seats then his influence is all but gone and he may well have to resign the Scottish leadership anyway. I'll try to find and link to the thread I started many many iterations ago discussing what might happen to political parties in the result of Scottish independence. What you're discussing might be worth adding after such a gap from the last time the post was 'busy ' |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 6, 2024 22:53:41 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 6, 2024 22:57:49 GMT
If Ross is elected and has any sort of decency he should promise to resign the seat and allow Duguid to stand in the resulting by-election as soon as his health allows. The GE is all about representation of the people and the probity of the system. It is not about the vanity of candidates and the career structure of individuals. Standing is a serious matter. Being elected is a serious matter. This is not a game for narcissistic players and for hubris and overwrought emotions. If Ross is elected he should see out that term as his responsibility is to 'the many' who elected him. It would be a gross abuse of system and blatant grandstanding for a duly elected MP to betray the trust of the electorate and cause huge inconvenience and expense for some vacuous game of 'fairness' played between just two people in the same party. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2024 0:12:22 GMT
Mr Duguid has been unwell for a number of weeks and it is understood that the decision to effectively deselect him has been made on health grounds. I’m sorry but that doesn’t wash given the man himself said he was looking forward to standing again. Even worse was Ross justifying it by comparing it to Craig MacKinlay - except it was MacKinlay himself who said he would not stand again on the basis of the earlier election. Duguid himself has never said anything of the sort. A new low from Ross clearly. If it were up to ‘party officials’ (and clearly not local in this case) to deselect people based on their own external perception of ‘health grounds‘ then that leads to a slippery (and quite frankly ageist/ableist) path and we would have seen the careers of people like Dennis Skinner and Ken Clarke (though Johnson effectively deselected him anyway!) curtailed much earlier than was the case. And they should have been terminated earlier. There is no divine right to continue into dotage or when infirm and forgetful. If MPs do not act of their own volition then they must be approached and reasoned with. If they disagree, deselection and imposition is the solution. What is wrong with Duguid and how long has he been affected? |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 7, 2024 6:40:57 GMT
Is Duguid popular in the party? Especially in his local party?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 7:29:18 GMT
Didn't something similar happen with Colin Clark? He wasn't able to stand in Aberdeenshire East in 2021 despite being MP for Gordon from 2017 to 2019?
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