mrtoad
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Post by mrtoad on Jun 6, 2024 6:17:44 GMT
On the face of it, really poor behaviour by his party towards Duguid. Labour's not played its candidate selections very humanely but I can't think of anything comparable to this,
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YL
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Post by YL on Jun 6, 2024 7:53:27 GMT
It’s being reported that Douglas Ross is to stand here, replacing Duguid.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 6, 2024 7:57:33 GMT
It’s being reported that Douglas Ross is to stand here, replacing Duguid. Trying to continue a dual mandate might not be the best look |
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Post by Kristofer Keane on Jun 6, 2024 8:00:38 GMT
A bit sordid to deselect a candidate for being unwell, then parachuting in your party leader.
Can we also take this as an admission that the Tories are finished at Holyrood?
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Post by YL on Jun 6, 2024 8:01:56 GMT
A bit sordid to deselect a candidate for being unwell, then parachuting in your party leader. Can we also take this as an admission that the Tories are finished at Holyrood? A red card offence? |
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Post by batman on Jun 6, 2024 8:16:54 GMT
Ross was the very first MP (see beginning of this thread) to announce his retirement. So now he's rescinded it. Several MPs from the last parliament have now done that.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 6, 2024 8:19:15 GMT
A bit sordid to deselect a candidate for being unwell, then parachuting in your party leader. Can we also take this as an admission that the Tories are finished at Holyrood? Well it depends what you mean by finished, they’re very likely to drop to third place next time out but the list system alone means that they will maintain a significant presence at Holyrood because they have quite a loyal core vote in Scotland (even current polling has that holding up pretty well). That could also put them in the crucial position of being the deciding votes to make Anas Sarwar First Minister and put the SNP out of power It could certainly be a sign that Douglas Ross thinks he doesn’t have long left as leader, and in that scenario would rather be at Westminster than the Scottish Parliament |
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 6, 2024 8:19:49 GMT
Might there be more to this? Is Duguid's health worse than is being reported? Is Ross being brought in because there is a view that the seat needs an active high profile candidate?
One plus is that Duguid is not being replaced by someone with no profile in the local area who would have to build that up in the space of 4 weeks!
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Post by stb12 on Jun 6, 2024 8:23:03 GMT
Might there be more to this? Is Duguid's health worse than is being reported? Is Ross being brought in because there is a view that the seat needs an active high profile candidate? One plus is that Duguid is not being replaced by someone with no profile in the local area who would have to build that up in the space of 4 weeks! Duguid’s own statement on the matter says that the party took the decision, so unless there’s been a misunderstanding somewhere it doesn’t sound like a mutual agreement based on his health |
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Post by Kristofer Keane on Jun 6, 2024 8:25:27 GMT
A bit sordid to deselect a candidate for being unwell, then parachuting in your party leader. Can we also take this as an admission that the Tories are finished at Holyrood? Well it depends what you mean by finished, they’re very likely to drop to third place next time out but the list system alone means that they will maintain a significant presence at Holyrood because they have quite a loyal core vote in Scotland (even current polling has that holding up pretty well). That could also put them in the crucial position of being the deciding votes to make Anas Sarwar First Minister and put the SNP out of power It could certainly be a sign that Douglas Ross thinks he doesn’t have long left as leader, and in that scenario would rather be at Westminster than the Scottish Parliament I think third would be frankly a good result for the Tories in Holyrood next time around, both the Lib Dems and the Greens will be aiming for that spot as well. I don't expect Reform to do much in Scotland, but if they can start at least consistently saving deposits where they do stand in the GE then we're probably starting to look at them picking up list MSPs too, further eating into the Tory potential. |
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 6, 2024 8:29:41 GMT
Well it depends what you mean by finished, they’re very likely to drop to third place next time out but the list system alone means that they will maintain a significant presence at Holyrood because they have quite a loyal core vote in Scotland (even current polling has that holding up pretty well). That could also put them in the crucial position of being the deciding votes to make Anas Sarwar First Minister and put the SNP out of power It could certainly be a sign that Douglas Ross thinks he doesn’t have long left as leader, and in that scenario would rather be at Westminster than the Scottish Parliament I think third would be frankly a good result for the Tories in Holyrood next time around, both the Lib Dems and the Greens will be aiming for that spot as well. I don't expect Reform to do much in Scotland, but if they can start at least consistently saving deposits where they do stand in the GE then we're probably starting to look at them picking up list MSPs too, further eating into the Tory potential. I suspect the prospects for the Scottish Tories will be somewhat brighter with a Labour Government in Westminster and an SNP Government in Holyrood. That said, they may still want someone more energetic than Ross - but is there anyone in among the Conservative MSPs who could do a better job? |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 6, 2024 8:34:30 GMT
Well it depends what you mean by finished, they’re very likely to drop to third place next time out but the list system alone means that they will maintain a significant presence at Holyrood because they have quite a loyal core vote in Scotland (even current polling has that holding up pretty well). That could also put them in the crucial position of being the deciding votes to make Anas Sarwar First Minister and put the SNP out of power It could certainly be a sign that Douglas Ross thinks he doesn’t have long left as leader, and in that scenario would rather be at Westminster than the Scottish Parliament I think third would be frankly a good result for the Tories in Holyrood next time around, both the Lib Dems and the Greens will be aiming for that spot as well. I don't expect Reform to do much in Scotland, but if they can start at least consistently saving deposits where they do stand in the GE then we're probably starting to look at them picking up list MSPs too, further eating into the Tory potential. I mean they’ve never been lower than third in any Scottish Parliament election, even in 1999 with the aftermath of the 1997 wipe out and having campaigned against the establishment of devolution. Their worst result in 2011 was 15 MSPs, and the Westminster polling still easily has them third in terms of vote share It seems clear that they’ll suffer losses without a doubt but it sounds like you think they’ll end up with their worst ever Holyrood result? I struggle to see it being quite that bad |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 6, 2024 8:40:30 GMT
I think third would be frankly a good result for the Tories in Holyrood next time around, both the Lib Dems and the Greens will be aiming for that spot as well. I don't expect Reform to do much in Scotland, but if they can start at least consistently saving deposits where they do stand in the GE then we're probably starting to look at them picking up list MSPs too, further eating into the Tory potential. I suspect the prospects for the Scottish Tories will be somewhat brighter with a Labour Government in Westminster and an SNP Government in Holyrood. That said, they may still want someone more energetic than Ross - but is there anyone in among the Conservative MSPs who could do a better job? Meghan Gallacher would no doubt be a contender, seems to have impressed as Deputy Leader and a parliamentary spokesperson on some controversial issues. Like Ruth Davidson would be a female face in a group dominated by men and is in her early 30s so would very much be considered a new generation (albeit Ross himself is only 41 so not exactly an old timer) |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 6, 2024 9:00:54 GMT
Might there be more to this? Is Duguid's health worse than is being reported? Is Ross being brought in because there is a view that the seat needs an active high profile candidate? One plus is that Duguid is not being replaced by someone with no profile in the local area who would have to build that up in the space of 4 weeks! It would be understandable if the local party feared that he would not be able to serve a full term and didn't want to risk having to fight a by election. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 9:07:36 GMT
A bit sordid to deselect a candidate for being unwell, then parachuting in your party leader. Can we also take this as an admission that the Tories are finished at Holyrood?Not with AMS they aren't. It's unlikely they are wiped out at the constituency level and probably have a decent chance of gaining Ayr and Banffshire & Buchan Coast in 2026. |
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Post by right on Jun 6, 2024 10:23:30 GMT
Some of this is Crick cultivating his sources, disgruntled candidates, but he has a point
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 10:25:17 GMT
Maybe Ross wants to be Tory leader.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 6, 2024 10:29:02 GMT
Maybe Ross wants to be Tory leader. And maybe I want to be Benjamin Disraeli… |
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Post by greyfriar on Jun 6, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/ross-backed-duguid-14-days-before-replacing-him-as-election-352583/Mr Duguid has been unwell for a number of weeks and it is understood that the decision to effectively deselect him has been made on health grounds. Mr Ross backed Mr Duguid on social media two weeks ago for the upcoming General Election. The post reads: “So pleased to hear you’re on the mend, David. “You’re a great constituency neighbour and colleague. “I’m looking forward to supporting your re-election to the House of Commons. “Sending you and your family my very best wishes for the remainder of your recovery.”
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Post by dizz on Jun 6, 2024 12:53:24 GMT
Ross makes decision.
IMHO he's been rather good in the Scottish Affairs Committee so I rather hope he beats the Nats.
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