stb12
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Post by stb12 on Mar 14, 2024 1:33:34 GMT
York Central
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YL
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Post by YL on Mar 14, 2024 17:44:06 GMT
Almanac profileCandidatesCliff Bond (Reform UK) Richard Hudson (Con) Roger James (Ind) Ruairi Kendall (Ind) Lars Kramm (Green) Alasdair Lord (Ind) Rachel Maskell* (Lab) Leo Mayne (Ind) Alan Page (Lib Dem)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 11, 2024 11:27:45 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Apr 11, 2024 12:00:39 GMT
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Post by batman on Apr 11, 2024 12:06:16 GMT
Mr Carkwell?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 11, 2024 14:25:07 GMT
A grave error by Reform UK.
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john07
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Post by john07 on Apr 11, 2024 14:41:58 GMT
This sounds rather like a Monty Python dead parrot sketch.
‘Bereft of life.,…..’
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Post by devolutionist on Apr 11, 2024 16:38:24 GMT
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 11, 2024 16:43:25 GMT
TBF to Reform he was indeed inactive.
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Post by devolutionist on Apr 11, 2024 16:45:35 GMT
TBF to Reform he was indeed inactive. You can't sack a dead person though, which was why I felt the record needed correcting. I did not, however, expect to see it on the front page of the BBC website a few days later  |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 11, 2024 16:46:46 GMT
You punch heavier than Ed Davey
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Post by devolutionist on Apr 11, 2024 16:48:58 GMT
You punch heavier than Ed Davey I'm actually back in the Yorkshire Party now, I need to get that updated! |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 11, 2024 19:15:34 GMT
The thing which intrigues me is that any normal party of substantial size would have a significant number of active members in each constituency, who would be reasonably in contact with each other, and whose leading members would be in regular contact with the leadership of the party at the national level. If a prospective candidate died, the local members would notice (it might take them a few days, if the person dies suddenly) and would tell the leadership reasonably promptly.
This episode shows that (a) there are negligible numbers of Reform Party members who are active in York (i.e. active to the extent of being in regular contact with each other, rather than just being paper members), or (b) they are so disorganised that they didn’t manage to tell the leadership. ( c) The leadership didn’t have any significant contact details for the other members in York, beyond sending a few emails to Mr Cawkwell to ask him what he was doing. The network of people who knew Mr Cawkwell must have never interacted with other Reform members for a whole 2 months.
All of which tends to confirm my suspicions that Reform Party has a relatively very small membership, and is not organised enough to have anything like a comprehensive covering of candidates in all or most constituencies. I expect that when we get the SOPNs for the general election, hundreds of them will be devoid of Reform Party candidates.
Incidentally, I don’t like the fact that the Reform Party calls itself “Reform UK” and I don’t call it that
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 11, 2024 20:27:07 GMT
The thing which intrigues me is that any normal party of substantial size would have a significant number of active members in each constituency, who would be reasonably in contact with each other Correct. This episode shows that (a) there are negligible numbers of Reform Party members who are active in York (i.e. active to the extent of being in regular contact with each other, rather than just being paper members), or (b) they are so disorganised that they didn’t manage to tell the leadership. Absolutely correct, yet their members will turn up to counts in suits with immaculate rosettes I’m sure. All of which tends to confirm my suspicions that Reform Party has a relatively very small membership, and is not organised Correct All these are undoubtedly true and probably true of UKIP/Brexit back in the day. BNP almost certainly and probably true of others today like the continuing SDP and very easily Galloway ‘Workers’ Party. Could this happen in Lab/Con/LD/Green/SNP/PC? Probably not. John, out of curiosity could this happen in the OFMLP? You get a candidate for Anytown East who then goes quiet - what happens? |
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Post by batman on Apr 11, 2024 20:45:47 GMT
was he dead when selected or not? I'm not totally clear
This is a very bizarre story, the likes of which I have never heard before - I expect they will make a comedy out of it called Drop the Dead Candidate
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Post by johnloony on Apr 11, 2024 21:03:42 GMT
The thing which intrigues me is that any normal party of substantial size would have a significant number of active members in each constituency, who would be reasonably in contact with each other Correct. This episode shows that (a) there are negligible numbers of Reform Party members who are active in York (i.e. active to the extent of being in regular contact with each other, rather than just being paper members), or (b) they are so disorganised that they didn’t manage to tell the leadership. Absolutely correct, yet their members will turn up to counts in suits with immaculate rosettes I’m sure. All of which tends to confirm my suspicions that Reform Party has a relatively very small membership, and is not organised Correct All these are undoubtedly true and probably true of UKIP/Brexit back in the day. BNP almost certainly and probably true of others today like the continuing SDP and very easily Galloway ‘Workers’ Party. Could this happen in Lab/Con/LD/Green/SNP/PC? Probably not. John, out of curiosity could this happen in the OFMLP? You get a candidate for Anytown East who then goes quiet - what happens? In the OMRLP (when I was in it) the total membership was about 1,000, but most of those were life-members on paper but not active. The total active membership (i.e. actually paying annual membership fees) was about 100, with a few dozen actively standing in elections. I think that in most cases, each member does their own thing (I was the only member in Croydon). In some places there are clusters of a few members who know each other and do their things together (e.g. the 9 candidates who all stood in the same ward in 2012) for publicity and activities. If a candidate in Anytown suddenly goes quiet, it could mean that they have just died, or more likely that they have given up or not bothered. I remember that in 2001 there were about 15 or 20 candidates announced, but a few of them just didn’t get to the SOPN stage. At about that time there was a power-struggle between the leader Alan Hope (who is laid back and fairly inactive) and the deputy leader Melodie Staniforth, who was doing virtually all of the weekly / monthly work of running the party and doing all of the accounts / registration etc. and sending packs to schools for mock elections. It got to the point where she had to be removed. She and a few others went off to form the Blah! Party, which didn’t last long. A few others formed the Rock’n’Roll Loony Party, which had a few people who had dual membership of both parties. Toby Jug was an annoying nuisance who got expelled and formed his own Eccentric Party. You have to bear in mind that the OMRLP is essentially an anarchy without the need for any central co-ordination of what members or candidates are doing. Every April Alan Hope phones round the regular active members and asks them if they are standing in the local elections (and therefore do you need the Authorisation Certificate for using the party name on the ballot paper?) but it is not necessary to do any process of checking what campaigning the candidates are doing. |
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john07
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Post by john07 on Apr 11, 2024 21:12:23 GMT
was he dead when selected or not? I'm not totally clear How would anyone tell? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 12, 2024 6:01:43 GMT
If I died suddenly and the Forum contacted me to complain that I was not posting enough my daughter would check my emails and let the Forum know. I think the family of the deceased ought to apoogise to Reform
Furthermore, what sort of "RNLI" volunteer lives in York Central?
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Post by batman on Apr 12, 2024 6:07:16 GMT
To be fair the constituency frequently suffers from severe flooding.
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Post by threecrowns on Apr 12, 2024 6:37:08 GMT
He lived in Flamborough.
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