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Post by johnloony on Apr 12, 2024 10:29:02 GMT
If I died suddenly and the Forum contacted me to complain that I was not posting enough my daughter would check my emails and let the Forum know. I think the family of the deceased ought to apoogise to Reform Furthermore, what sort of "RNLI" volunteer lives in York Central? Not everyone has a family, or at least not nosey enough to check their emails. Maybe he didn’t even live in York |
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Post by devolutionist on Apr 15, 2024 21:59:34 GMT
If I died suddenly and the Forum contacted me to complain that I was not posting enough my daughter would check my emails and let the Forum know. I think the family of the deceased ought to apoogise to Reform Furthermore, what sort of "RNLI" volunteer lives in York Central? You are assuming that he has family, some people don't. Also, my wife doesn't have the password to my email accounts! He lived in Thirsk, which is 23 miles away from the centre of York. It is a 58 mile drive to Flamborough where he volunteered for the RNLI. I suspect that York is the place that people from Thirsk have to visit for hospital appointments, and administrative things like driving theory tests, so I don't think its too unreasonable for him to have been the York Central candidate, the postcode for Thirsk is YO7 Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! |
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Post by nyx on Apr 16, 2024 20:40:14 GMT
I suspect that York is the place that people from Thirsk have to visit for hospital appointments, and administrative things like driving theory tests Speaking from personal experience, both hospital appointments and driving theory/practical tests for people living in Thirsk are handled in Northallerton, or occasionally Middlesbrough (the hospital in Northallerton is linked with the more major one in Middlesbrough). |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 17, 2024 5:08:56 GMT
Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. |
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Post by right on Apr 17, 2024 6:10:16 GMT
The thing which intrigues me is that any normal party of substantial size would have a significant number of active members in each constituency, who would be reasonably in contact with each other, and whose leading members would be in regular contact with the leadership of the party at the national level. If a prospective candidate died, the local members would notice (it might take them a few days, if the person dies suddenly) and would tell the leadership reasonably promptly. This episode shows that (a) there are negligible numbers of Reform Party members who are active in York (i.e. active to the extent of being in regular contact with each other, rather than just being paper members), or (b) they are so disorganised that they didn’t manage to tell the leadership. ( c) The leadership didn’t have any significant contact details for the other members in York, beyond sending a few emails to Mr Cawkwell to ask him what he was doing. The network of people who knew Mr Cawkwell must have never interacted with other Reform members for a whole 2 months. All of which tends to confirm my suspicions that Reform Party has a relatively very small membership, and is not organised enough to have anything like a comprehensive covering of candidates in all or most constituencies. I expect that when we get the SOPNs for the general election, hundreds of them will be devoid of Reform Party candidates. Incidentally, I don’t like the fact that the Reform Party calls itself “Reform UK” and I don’t call it that It's more to do with over-centralisation and a rather ineffective operation at HQ than lack of membership. But it has the same effect and will continue to have that effect. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 18, 2024 13:59:06 GMT
Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. Ed Balls' connection to Normanton, on the other hand, was that he lived locally because his wife was the MP for the neighbouring constituency. |
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Post by andrea on Apr 18, 2024 14:13:57 GMT
Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. The 1997 shortlist for Pontecraft and Castleford was Cat Ashton Hilary Benn Yvette Cooper John Harman Derek Scott I *think* the shortlist was drawn up by the NEC but members then had a vote out of those 5. |
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Post by markgoodair on Apr 18, 2024 14:15:33 GMT
Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. I. I'm sure that you're wrong on that point. From memory I have a mate that was the on the Labour panel for Ponty & Cas and stated that Yvette Cooper was head and shoulders of the other candidates on offer . |
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Post by greenhert on Apr 18, 2024 20:48:32 GMT
Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. The 1997 shortlist for Pontecraft and Castleford was Cat Ashton Hilary Benn Yvette Cooper John Harman Derek Scott I *think* the shortlist was drawn up by the NEC but members then had a vote out of those 5. This was noted by the late great Byron Criddle on behalf of Butler & Kavanagh in their 1997 British general election study-there were many seats like this where local applicants were not even shortlisted because of increasing NEC control. |
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Post by maxque on Apr 18, 2024 22:04:55 GMT
The 1997 shortlist for Pontecraft and Castleford was Cat Ashton Hilary Benn Yvette Cooper John Harman Derek Scott I *think* the shortlist was drawn up by the NEC but members then had a vote out of those 5. This was noted by the late great Byron Criddle on behalf of Butler & Kavanagh in their 1997 British general election study-there were many seats like this where local applicants were not even shortlisted because of increasing NEC control. John Harman was local, through? |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 18, 2024 22:09:04 GMT
This was noted by the late great Byron Criddle on behalf of Butler & Kavanagh in their 1997 British general election study-there were many seats like this where local applicants were not even shortlisted because of increasing NEC control. John Harman was local, through? Yes. John Harman was born in Castleford. He ended up with the Environment Agency, rather an MP. |
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Post by john07 on Apr 19, 2024 0:53:52 GMT
Meanwhile, I'd love to know what prior link Yvette Cooper claimed to Pontefract, Normanton and Castleford, or indeed what the Norwich born and raised Ed Balls had to Morley and Outwood! Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. Bloody hell, do you have to have been born in a Constituency to stand there? That would rule out a very large proportion of MPs and candidates. Having said that there are serious problems with the current political culture in all parties. We all know that large numbers of candidates for Labour are parachuted in after being councillors in Islington or, more likely SPADs. That is the current trends that are increasing making being an MP somewhat restricted to political insiders. There is almost the creation of a political 'caste'. This may go some way to explaining why they sometimes make such a bollox of things. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 19, 2024 6:40:57 GMT
Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. The 1997 shortlist for Pontecraft and Castleford was Cat Ashton Hilary Benn Yvette Cooper John Harman Derek Scott I *think* the shortlist was drawn up by the NEC but members then had a vote out of those 5. Fair enough. It's over 25 years ago and my memory was correct on the NEC shortlist, but not on the choice being made by local members. |
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Post by thejedi on Apr 19, 2024 7:41:04 GMT
Cooper was of course a well connected political insider appointed at the last minute by the NEC without the local party having a say - a common occurrence in the Labour Party. I believe her only tenuous connection was that her grandfather had been a miner. Bloody hell, do you have to have been born in a Constituency to stand there? That would rule out a very large proportion of MPs and candidates. Having said that there are serious problems with the current political culture in all parties. We all know that large numbers of candidates for Labour are parachuted in after being councillors in Islington or, more likely SPADs. That is the current trends that are increasing making being an MP somewhat restricted to political insiders. There is almost the creation of a political 'caste'. This may go some way to explaining why they sometimes make such a bollox of things. I think that would solve a lot of problems if MP’s had to been born in the constituency, or at least have some valid connection there, ect. It would stop all this parachuting. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 19, 2024 8:06:19 GMT
It would mean massive competitions in seats with major maternity hospitals, and limited competition in some rural constituencies where local medical opinion strongly opposed home births.
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Post by john07 on Apr 19, 2024 8:18:27 GMT
It would mean massive competitions in seats with major maternity hospitals, and limited competition in some rural constituencies where local medical opinion strongly opposed home births. I noticed years back that a massive number of Scottish footballers appeared to have been born in Bellshill. This really puzzled me as to why. That was until someone pointed out that the main maternity hospital for Glasgow and much of the west central belt was in Bellshill. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 19, 2024 8:26:47 GMT
Bloody hell, do you have to have been born in a Constituency to stand there? That would rule out a very large proportion of MPs and candidates. Having said that there are serious problems with the current political culture in all parties. We all know that large numbers of candidates for Labour are parachuted in after being councillors in Islington or, more likely SPADs. That is the current trends that are increasing making being an MP somewhat restricted to political insiders. There is almost the creation of a political 'caste'. This may go some way to explaining why they sometimes make such a bollox of things. I think that would solve a lot of problems if MP’s had to been born in the constituency, or at least have some valid connection there, ect. It would stop all this parachuting. The quite few wards/constituencies containing maternity clinic and hospitals will have a richness of choice and many others will have no choice at all. A deeply Luddite and crassly stupid suggestion. |
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Post by thejedi on Apr 19, 2024 8:59:09 GMT
I think that would solve a lot of problems if MP’s had to been born in the constituency, or at least have some valid connection there, ect. It would stop all this parachuting. The quite few wards/constituencies containing maternity clinic and hospitals will have a richness of choice and many others will have no choice at all. A deeply Luddite and crassly stupid suggestion. And your theory is proven how? Maybe if the qualifying rules were changed to stand as an MP, then the everyday person might get more involved instead of being disillusioned as many are now. Many may want to get involved in local politics, but might see the end goal as being pointless, knowing a national party is going to parachute a random person in just to take their spot and represent a national party logo on a ballot paper instead of wanting to stand for the people of the constituency. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 19, 2024 9:07:59 GMT
Even leaving aside the issue of maternity hospitals, it is an incredibly stupid idea. It would make my mother eligible to stand in Bristol North West, where she hasn't lived since before she was able to walk, but not in the constituency where she's lived for the past 35 years.
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Post by YL on Apr 19, 2024 9:31:07 GMT
See Yorkshire County Cricket Club in the 1970s and 1980s. “Yes, we know you’ve lived here for years, learnt your cricket here and played for a local club. But you weren’t born here, so sorry but you’ll have to go and play for Lancashire or Derbyshire or some other less fussy county instead.”
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