YL
Non-Aligned
Either Labour leaning or Lib Dem leaning but not sure which
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Post by YL on Aug 8, 2024 6:58:05 GMT
Ben Walker's model has Labour carrying all five wards here, even Dore & Totley, but sometimes I suspect it underestimates variation within constituencies. Thoughts? Not a local, but I’ve been (slowly) doing some notionals, and I still have the Lib Dems winning Dore and Totley narrowly. It has about the same lean vs the constituency as Crookes and Crosspool in the opposite direction, with the other 3 wards presumably closeish to the constituency wide result (Stannington, Ecclesall, Fulwood, in the order of the Labour margin). Of course, the Labour lead is big enough, and compared to the past flat enough, that it’s plausible somewhere like Dore and Totley voted for them. I think Stannington, with its rather different demographics, tends to be a bit less Lib Dem in General Elections, relative to the other wards, than you might expect from its loyalty to them in local elections. So I'd guess that it was rather worse for them than Ecclesall or Fulwood, and maybe even than C & C. Of course being "non-aligned" means I don't actually have any data other than stakeboards and window posters, which aren't the most informative. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 9, 2024 22:57:11 GMT
I think Stannington is like an economic and cultural dividing line in the constituency. I believe the farming is more sheep farming south of Stannington but it's cows to the north.
It's probably one of the only parts of hallam to have voted leave.
To the north is about as Yorkshire as you can get but south is a border with Derbyshire that doesn't feel like a definitive border. It's sometimes not clear when you've left Yorkshire yet and entered Derbyshire. The people are a bit like that too. The accent is different. People holiday in Bakewell and Matlock instead of Wentworth or Holmfirth. Shop at Handsworth instead of Fox Valley. School at King Edward's or Notre Dame instead of Stocksbridge.
Prior to the local government reorganization Stannington was in Wortley.
Stannington probably has the highest levels of deprivation in hallam.
Parts of Stannington are basically Hillsborough. If they lived in Hillsborough they'd probably be green voters but as they don't they're lib Dems.
When we had the gas outage we were out in Stannington, Hillsborough and Walkley. Despite electoral borders the terraced housing in this area doesn't stop at the divide.
I have friends who say they live in Hillsborough despite being in Walkley. Prior to the new boundaries some of hillsborough was in central
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YL
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Post by YL on Aug 10, 2024 8:15:32 GMT
A lot of that reflects just how strong a boundary on the ground the Rivelin is, and I imagine that is really why the demographic differences exist as well. It's probably one of the only parts of hallam to have voted leave. It was certainly reported that it did, though Sheffield didn't report the count by ward so we don't "know", and south of the Rivelin there will only have been the odd pocket that was even close. I estimated 75% Remain for my neighbourhood. By the way the historic Yorkshire/Derbyshire border left the current city boundary near Stanage Pole and followed a line across the moors to just west of Ringinglow, then down the Limb Valley all the way to the Sheaf near Dore Station, then along the Sheaf to the mouth of the Meers Brook near Heeley Bridge, up the Meers Brook to Gleadless Townend and then down the Shire Brook separating Woodhouse from Beighton. (My understanding is that the names of all of these watercourses relate to them being boundaries.) So most of the current Hallam seat is Yorkshire, the main exceptions being Dore, Totley and Bradway. Well, it's a little more complicated than that. Immediately before 1974 the current Bradfield parish boundary was the city boundary, so Stannington village, Loxley and most of the rural areas where in Wortley RD, and in Penistone constituency before 1983, but "Lower Stannington" was already in Sheffield. Looking at J.G.Harston 's page on the evolution of the city boundary, it looks like it was added as long ago as 1914. Certainly, though in fact outside the council estates in the western part of Lower Stannington deprivation isn't that high; there's even a bottom decile LSOA for deprivation. Ideally Stannington and Hillsborough would be in the same constituency, though it's not too easy to get to that from what we have now given the rules for drawing constituencies. Yes, I think some of the lower parts of Walkley ward near Langsett Road and Hillsborough Corner associate with Hillsborough as much as or more than with Walkley. Especially near the northern end you can see why: they're virtually at Hillsborough Corner, while central Walkley (South Road) is a fair walk up a steep hill. The original Sheffield parish boundary, though, actually ran right through Hillsborough Corner, along Holme Lane and Bradfield Road; Walkley was part of Nether Hallam township and the original 1885 version of Hallam constituency, so that line through Hillsborough Corner is actually the original northern boundary of this constituency. |
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