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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:13 GMT
The endorsement train continues, with Clare Short as the Green star: electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19971/(Love how Owen Jones is tucked in between a "health service worker" and a pub landlord) Thelma Walker “I’ll be voting Green”… yes in Colne Valley. What’s the relevance of her on a Bristol Central leaflet, bizarre. Hardly a known national figure. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:47 GMT
Grandstanding spoilt brat syndrome. I don't think so. People use different names - they just decide a name they like? Well, do forgive me Mike but I assert the right of the state to deny that option especially if it is a silly name like this one. The French are much more authoritarian about these matters and rightly so. People cannot be allowed to morph from one personality and identity to another to avoid and evade truth, responsibility, criminality or past misdeeds or to fly uder false and fresh colours. There can be reasons on arrival in a country with a different script or quite different spelling and pronunciation, on marriage and cohabitation, on adopting additional family names to perpetuate them or to satisfy clauses in wills for inheritance. There must be a good set of valid reasons properly documented and evidenced and not just narcissistic vanity and uber grandstanding. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 28, 2024 9:07:24 GMT
I don't think so. People use different names - they just decide a name they like? Well, do forgive me Mike but I assert the right of the state to deny that option especially if it is a silly name like this one. The French are much more authoritarian about these matters and rightly so. People cannot be allowed to morph from one personality and identity to another to avoid and evade truth, responsibility, criminality or past misdeeds or to fly uder false and fresh colours. There can be reasons on arrival in a country with a different script or quite different spelling and pronunciation, on marriage and cohabitation, on adopting additional family names to perpetuate them or to satisfy clauses in wills for inheritance. There must be a good set of valid reasons properly documented and evidenced and not just narcissistic vanity and uber grandstanding. I know a couple of people who decided to have a new name. Personally it's not a problem. The deed poll is fine. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 9:12:13 GMT
Well, do forgive me Mike but I assert the right of the state to deny that option especially if it is a silly name like this one. The French are much more authoritarian about these matters and rightly so. People cannot be allowed to morph from one personality and identity to another to avoid and evade truth, responsibility, criminality or past misdeeds or to fly uder false and fresh colours. There can be reasons on arrival in a country with a different script or quite different spelling and pronunciation, on marriage and cohabitation, on adopting additional family names to perpetuate them or to satisfy clauses in wills for inheritance. There must be a good set of valid reasons properly documented and evidenced and not just narcissistic vanity and uber grandstanding. I know a couple of people who decided to have a new name. Personally it's not a problem. The deed poll is fine. Up to a point Lord Copper and no further. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 28, 2024 9:16:59 GMT
I know a couple of people who decided to have a new name. Personally it's not a problem. The deed poll is fine. Up to a point Lord Copper and no further. Well, I do know Bluebell New Jerusalem EIKONOKLASTES. It's different. He changed his to a very ordinary name! |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 9:19:21 GMT
Up to a point Lord Copper and no further. Well, I do know Bluebell New Jerusalem EIKONOKLASTES. It's different. He changed his to a very ordinary name! No comment! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 28, 2024 9:20:18 GMT
Up to a point Lord Copper and no further. Well, I do know Bluebell New Jerusalem EIKONOKLASTES. It's different. He changed his to a very ordinary name! How disappointing. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2024 9:25:31 GMT
I don't think so. People use different names - they just decide a name they like? Well, do forgive me Mike but I assert the right of the state to deny that option especially if it is a silly name like this one. The French are much more authoritarian about these matters and rightly so. People cannot be allowed to morph from one personality and identity to another to avoid and evade truth, responsibility, criminality or past misdeeds or to fly uder false and fresh colours. There can be reasons on arrival in a country with a different script or quite different spelling and pronunciation, on marriage and cohabitation, on adopting additional family names to perpetuate them or to satisfy clauses in wills for inheritance. There must be a good set of valid reasons properly documented and evidenced and not just narcissistic vanity and uber grandstanding. You’re literally posting this under a pseudonym. People can go by whatever name they like, don’t you think we have bigger things to be worrying about as a country. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 9:29:16 GMT
Well, do forgive me Mike but I assert the right of the state to deny that option especially if it is a silly name like this one. The French are much more authoritarian about these matters and rightly so. People cannot be allowed to morph from one personality and identity to another to avoid and evade truth, responsibility, criminality or past misdeeds or to fly uder false and fresh colours. There can be reasons on arrival in a country with a different script or quite different spelling and pronunciation, on marriage and cohabitation, on adopting additional family names to perpetuate them or to satisfy clauses in wills for inheritance. There must be a good set of valid reasons properly documented and evidenced and not just narcissistic vanity and uber grandstanding. You’re literally posting this under a pseudonym. People can go by whatever name they like, don’t you think we have bigger things to be worrying about as a country. It is not a pivotal issue but it is important to me like good English usage. And what of those pivotal issues? Has Starmer faced up to all of them, formed policy on all of them and taken a firm decisive stance on all of them? Thought not! |
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Post by batman on Jun 28, 2024 9:30:44 GMT
Debbonaire is not a made-up name, however silly one might think it is. It is a surname which has belonged to members of her family. Why she herself chose to use it I don’t know.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 28, 2024 9:40:35 GMT
Debbonaire is not a made-up name, however silly one might think it is. It is a surname which has belonged to members of her family. Why she herself chose to use it I don’t know. Not sure how i've missed it, but I didn't know she was once a professional cellist. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 9:49:02 GMT
The endorsement train continues, with Clare Short as the Green star: electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19971/(Love how Owen Jones is tucked in between a "health service worker" and a pub landlord) Thelma Walker “I’ll be voting Green”… yes in Colne Valley. What’s the relevance of her on a Bristol Central leaflet, bizarre. Hardly a known national figure. Never heard of her. Why is she being quoted at all in this particular constituency? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 28, 2024 10:17:13 GMT
Because she’s a former Labour MP and this adds weight to the fact that mainstream people can/are allowed to vote Green with a clear conscious.
There’s no suggestion that she’s living in Bristol.
She also of course stood as an independent on behalf of the Northern Independence Party in the 2021 Hartlepool by-election and not unsurprisingly the Greens choose to omit that.
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2024 10:24:45 GMT
Thelma Walker “I’ll be voting Green”… yes in Colne Valley. What’s the relevance of her on a Bristol Central leaflet, bizarre. Hardly a known national figure. Never heard of her. Why is she being quoted at all in this particular constituency? I think they’re trying to create permission structures for tribal labour voters who might be impressed by Carla Denyer’s charisma |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:26:09 GMT
Never heard of her. Why is she being quoted at all in this particular constituency? I think they’re trying to create permission structures for tribal labour voters who might be impressed by Carla Denyer’s charisma That uses ordinary words and appears to be perfectly well written, but I have no idea what it means and introduces another person I have not heard of. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 28, 2024 11:30:18 GMT
I think they’re trying to create permission structures for tribal labour voters who might be impressed by Carla Denyer’s charisma That uses ordinary words and appears to be perfectly well written, but I have no idea what it means and introduces another person I have not heard of. The part time leader of the Green Party (only in England and Wales), shared with Adrian Ramsay |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:35:21 GMT
That uses ordinary words and appears to be perfectly well written, but I have no idea what it means and introduces another person I have not heard of. The part time leader of the Green Party (only in England and Wales), shared with Adrian Ramsay Ah! Thank you. I suppose I should have known that, but they have so many of them in different places. Ahem? What does that have to do with endorsements from an unknown person about Central though? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:38:43 GMT
Because she’s a former Labour MP and this adds weight to the fact that mainstream people can/are allowed to vote Green with a clear conscious. There’s no suggestion that she’s living in Bristol. She also of course stood as an independent on behalf of the Northern Independence Party in the 2021 Hartlepool by-election and not unsurprisingly the Greens choose to omit that. Thank you very much (and please stand down on this edgbaston). So it is all bollocks about a nonentity. Sorry I asked. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 28, 2024 11:40:24 GMT
Because she’s a former Labour MP and this adds weight to the fact that mainstream people can/are allowed to vote Green with a clear conscious. There’s no suggestion that she’s living in Bristol. She also of course stood as an independent on behalf of the Northern Independence Party in the 2021 Hartlepool by-election and not unsurprisingly the Greens choose to omit that. Thank you very much (and please stand down on this edgbaston). So it is all bollocks about a nonentity. Sorry I asked. I agree she’s a non-entity but “former Labour MP backs/joins Greens” is still a damn good endorsement in my book. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:45:31 GMT
Thank you very much (and please stand down on this edgbaston ). So it is all bollocks about a nonentity. Sorry I asked. I agree she’s a non-entity but “former Labour MP backs/joins Greens” is still a damn good enforcement in my book. No it isn't. It is pure and applied utter rubbish and no ordinary voter will notice and if they do give a stuff. |
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