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Post by sirnorfolkpassmore on Jul 4, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
My brain has an irrationally strong dislike of the fact that the LIb Dems are competitive in Wimbledon. The fact that Labour won Wimbledon in 1997 makes me think that if the Conservative Party loses Wimbledon, then it “should” be Labour which wins it, and that it’s none of the Lib Dems’ business to even come close. It's a quarter of a century ago and things change. It'll be the same in different directions. For example, there will be Scottish borders seats that were won comfortably by the Lib Dems in 1997 (and even in 1992) that will probably remain Tory today, Cornwall was all gold in 1997 but certainly won't be tomorrow etc. Wimbledon is rich (overall) and Remain-y and the Lib Dems have worked it.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Jul 4, 2024 12:15:30 GMT
Cornwall was all gold in 2005. Definitely not in 1997 as Candy Atherton won the Falmouth/Camborne seat.
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Ports
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Post by Ports on Jul 4, 2024 12:22:58 GMT
Of course if you're confused about Wimbledon wait until you find out what's happened in St Albans...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 4, 2024 15:20:10 GMT
My brain has an irrationally strong dislike of the fact that the LIb Dems are competitive in Wimbledon. The fact that Labour won Wimbledon in 1997 makes me think that if the Conservative Party loses Wimbledon, then it “should” be Labour which wins it, and that it’s none of the Lib Dems’ business to even come close. No you're mistaken. Like me you were socialised in the 80s and the Liberals were the clear challengers in Wimbledon then - they made quite a play for the seat in 1987 with a high profile candidate in Adrian Slade (although it didn't amount to much in the end). It was Labour who had no business winning Wimbledon in 1997 - just as was the case with St Albans. If the Conservatives had to lose it, it "should" have been to the Lib Dems, in line with the seats in Kingston and Richmond
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YL
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Post by YL on Jul 4, 2024 23:32:47 GMT
Lib Dems claiming victory apparently.
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Post by carolus on Jul 5, 2024 3:21:56 GMT
LD gain by a mile. Sorry graham
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iain
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Post by iain on Jul 5, 2024 3:44:47 GMT
Labour 3rd
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 5, 2024 17:57:25 GMT
LD gain by a mile. Sorry graham#thoughtsandprayers Oh, hang on, we held one of the the double preceding East Surrey seats that this is a descendent from between 1847 & 1874 so it was inevitable that our historic strength in the constituency would once again resolve itself despite the passage of time...
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Post by batman on Jul 5, 2024 18:44:19 GMT
A bit surprised that the Tories managed 2nd, but then Labour would be extremely weak even now in Village, and pretty weak in swathes of Hillside & Wimbledon Park in particular.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 5, 2024 19:06:16 GMT
A bit surprised that the Tories managed 2nd, but then Labour would be extremely weak even now in Village, and pretty weak in swathes of Hillside & Wimbledon Park in particular. And I suspect a fair bit of Labour supporters voting tactically for the LDs.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 5, 2024 20:07:37 GMT
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Post by anthony on Jul 5, 2024 22:16:25 GMT
There certainly was anti-Tory voting, but there has also been regular Liberal Democrat activity across the constituency for years while Labour has no real local Government base in the constituency (and went backwards in 2022). There was an active and noisy Labour campaign but it seems to have failed to have convinced many (apart from some of their newer activists who seemed genuinely surprised at the count). It had relied heavily on: dismissing the 2019 result, cherry-picking particular MRPs - one from January - even though they did not reflect the bulk of the MRPs; misrepresenting the boundary change as favourable to Labour and arguing that the national Tory opinion-poll rating meant that no tactical vote was needed. The Conservative campaign wasn't a strong one, hampered by their national one. We were afraid of shy Tories but in the end our campaign was quite effective.
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