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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 8:22:09 GMT
Regardless of your views, I'm pretty sure Parliament will be all the more amusing if Diane and Corbyn are still there.
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 8:24:21 GMT
I don't find Jeremy Corbyn amusing in the least. And not Diane either generally. Diane is known to have health issues though she apparently looked well yesterday and I am sorry she suffers from them. I have nothing to be sorry for Jeremy Corbyn about other than I am sympathetic that he has a mother-in-law like that. Mine was lovely, his is absolutely awful.
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Post by johnloony on May 30, 2024 8:26:39 GMT
This is what I think happened:
When it was reported that she was given back the Labour whip, and was a Labour MP again, somebody (a random journalist) put two and two together, ended up with thirty-seven, and made an assumption that "oh, this must mean that there is some sort of quid-pro-quo; perhaps she had got the whip back in return for agreeing not to stand again".
That was then reported as if it was fact.
That report was repeated by lots of other media.
Diane Abbott then read some of those media reports, and interpreted it as meaning that she was barred from standing.
So she assumed that the Labour Party had decided to ban her from standing, without telling her directly.
But no such decision had ever been made, and was not a condition for her to get the whip back.
All of which has resulted in a media storm of confusion, with her supporters rallying round and making a fuss of it.
Which means that Keir Starmer and/or the NEC will have to
(a) ban her from standing, in order to avoid looking weak,
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(b) allow her to stand, thereby making it look as if they have capitulated to the media pressure.
So, either way, it's a big failure of message-management by the Starmer régime.
The irony is that I think she will end up being not allowed to stand as a Labour candidate, whereas if she hadn't misunderstood the situation (and if she hadn't started making a fuss about it), she would have been allowed. I don't think she will bother standing as an Independent.
I wonder if she dyes her hair to keep it black?
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Post by rcronald on May 30, 2024 9:01:03 GMT
This is what I think happened: When it was reported that she was given back the Labour whip, and was a Labour MP again, somebody (a random journalist) put two and two together, ended up with thirty-seven, and made an assumption that "oh, this must mean that there is some sort of quid-pro-quo; perhaps she had got the whip back in return for agreeing not to stand again". That was then reported as if it was fact. That report was repeated by lots of other media. Diane Abbott then read some of those media reports, and interpreted it as meaning that she was barred from standing. So she assumed that the Labour Party had decided to ban her from standing, without telling her directly. But no such decision had ever been made, and was not a condition for her to get the whip back. All of which has resulted in a media storm of confusion, with her supporters rallying round and making a fuss of it. Which means that Keir Starmer and/or the NEC will have to (a) ban her from standing, in order to avoid looking weak, or (b) allow her to stand, thereby making it look as if they have capitulated to the media pressure. So, either way, it's a big failure of message-management by the Starmer régime. The irony is that I think she will end up being not allowed to stand as a Labour candidate, whereas if she hadn't misunderstood the situation (and if she hadn't started making a fuss about it), she would have been allowed. I don't think she will bother standing as an Independent. I wonder if she dyes her hair to keep it black? If their intention was to ban her from standing then they should ban her, if not, then they shouldn’t. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 31, 2024 8:50:14 GMT
Her language at the meeting in front of Hackney Town Hall yesterday, attended by nearly a thousand, suggests she will stand as an Independent if new Labour's high command do finish her off. She looked well. Did not look like a 70 yr old more like a woman in her mid 40s. I agree with others here, hard to see her winning as an Independent, more than 20% seems our of reach. Fan you may be, but that does not look in any way shape or form like a woman in her mid-40s. Stop being silly. she is an old woman and looks it. Corbyn is considerably better preserved and looks a lot fitter. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 31, 2024 8:51:58 GMT
Her language at the meeting in front of Hackney Town Hall yesterday, attended by nearly a thousand, suggests she will stand as an Independent if new Labour's high command do finish her off. She looked well. Did not look like a 70 yr old more like a woman in her mid 40s. I agree with others here, hard to see her winning as an Independent, more than 20% seems our of reach. Fan you may be, but that does not look in any way shape or form like a woman in her mid-40s. Stop being silly. she is an old woman and looks it. Corbyn is considerably better preserved and looks a lot fitter.Not bad for a vegetarian!  |
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Post by adlai52 on May 31, 2024 9:47:40 GMT
Fan you may be, but that does not look in any way shape or form like a woman in her mid-40s. Stop being silly. she is an old woman and looks it. Corbyn is considerably better preserved and looks a lot fitter.Not bad for a vegetarian! I live close Hackney Town Hall and there no way that was 1000 people - there is currently a pro-Palestine camp outside the town hall so quite easy to round up a crowd though - and I thought she looked quite fragile. None of this impacts on the fact that - unlike the case in Brighton or Chingford - the sensible thing for the leadership now is probably to close this off and let her stand, its seems like that is where we are heading, but dragging it out won't help. |
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Post by YL on May 31, 2024 12:55:53 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 31, 2024 12:59:34 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour. This is the best outcome for those of us who don't wish the Labour party well |
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Post by matureleft on May 31, 2024 13:15:27 GMT
If that happens and she actually stands that will be rather sad. Her appearance at the demonstration was concerning to those who know her. Unless this whole business has gravely affected her she looked and sounded ill, and we know she’s had health problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 13:17:03 GMT
I suspect Diane will serve out her term as Mother of the House and retire in 2029.
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Post by edgbaston on May 31, 2024 13:53:55 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour. Fantastic, took too long to get to this point but Diane Abbott is Labour through and through, we should always stand up for her and what she stands for. |
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Post by greatkingrat on May 31, 2024 13:55:39 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour. I thought it was nothing to do with him? |
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Post by Jamie on May 31, 2024 13:58:23 GMT
Individual politics aside I hope that Starmer's team use this as learning for Departmental people management.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 31, 2024 13:59:57 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour. Fantastic, took too long to get to this point but Diane Abbott is Labour through and through, we should always stand up for her and what she stands for. Yes you should. Loudly. Put her on all your leaflets along with some of her choicest quotes |
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Post by edgbaston on May 31, 2024 14:02:54 GMT
Fantastic, took too long to get to this point but Diane Abbott is Labour through and through, we should always stand up for her and what she stands for. Yes you should. Loudly. Put her on all your leaflets along with some of her choicest quotes Diane Abbott will be in the next parliament and Reform UK will not be, 0 seats  |
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Post by batman on May 31, 2024 14:03:15 GMT
Starmer has apparently said Abbott will be allowed to stand for Labour. This is the best outcome for those of us who don't wish the Labour party well I disagree. There was a danger of Black voters abstaining from voting in considerable numbers. Although Black voters tend to live disproportionately in safe Labour seats, Labour already has problems amongst Hindu and Muslim voters and cannot afford to acquire new problems amongst Black Caribbean and African voters in addition. |
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Post by batman on May 31, 2024 14:05:14 GMT
What you’re saying could be more of an issue if Diane were still a major frontbencher but of course that’s no longer the case.
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 31, 2024 14:29:38 GMT
The only people who ever said Abbott was barred from standing were The Times. Just smacks of Murdoch mischief-making.
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Post by john07 on May 31, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
The only people who ever said Abbott was barred from standing were The Times. Just smacks of Murdoch mischief-making. Apart from Abbott herself? |
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