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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 28, 2024 18:01:39 GMT
Luke Akehurst the prominent pro-Israel campaigner? Oh, that'll go down well...😂
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 28, 2024 18:04:37 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington has the fourth highest proportion of Jewish residents of any constituency.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 28, 2024 18:07:20 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington has the fourth highest proportion of Jewish residents of any constituency. Indeed, I mean with Abbott and her supporters. |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on May 28, 2024 18:08:10 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington has the fourth highest proportion of Jewish residents of any constituency. Yes, but Jewishness does not necessarily equate to support for the Israeli state, particularly when the majority of Jewish residents in this constituency come from anti-Zionist Haredi communities. |
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Post by andrea on May 28, 2024 18:09:17 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on May 28, 2024 18:14:29 GMT
I see that we have a lot of two plus two equals six chatter here.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 28, 2024 18:14:39 GMT
Anybody who completes one of these ridiculous courses is unfit to hold public office. not if they learn from it. It's a good course. If you need a training course to teach you not to be antisemitic you are unfit to hold public office. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 28, 2024 18:17:27 GMT
not if they learn from it. It's a good course. If you need a training course to teach you not to be antisemitic you are unfit to hold public office. It also smells a bit of re-education. These political punishment courses always make me feel queasy. |
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Post by batman on May 28, 2024 18:30:23 GMT
Hackney North and Stoke Newington has the fourth highest proportion of Jewish residents of any constituency. Yes, but Jewishness does not necessarily equate to support for the Israeli state, particularly when the majority of Jewish residents in this constituency come from anti-Zionist Haredi communities. they don't. There are certainly some Haredim with anti-Zionist views, but they do not represent the majority either here, Britain-wide or worldwide. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Satmar, or even less Neturei Karta, are representative of the entirety of strictly-Orthodox Jews. |
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Post by batman on May 28, 2024 18:32:43 GMT
If you need a training course to teach you not to be antisemitic you are unfit to hold public office. It also smells a bit of re-education. These political punishment courses always make me feel queasy. antisemitism is not always straightforward. Of course some manifestations of it are, but many people do need to be educated in what constitutes antisemitism and why. Including some people in this thread (obviously not yourself, of course) who love talking over the Jewish community & telling us what we ought to think is antisemitic & what we ought not to. |
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Post by graham on May 28, 2024 18:38:46 GMT
It also smells a bit of re-education. These political punishment courses always make me feel queasy. antisemitism is not always straightforward. Of course some manifestations of it are, but many people do need to be educated in what constitutes antisemitism and why. Including some people in this thread (obviously not yourself, of course) who love talking over the Jewish community & telling us what we ought to think is antisemitic & what we ought not to. But it is not antisemitic to suggest that the extreme Rightwing settlers illegally on the West Bank are little better than Einsatzgruppen given how they are torching the homes of Palestinians whilst at the same time causing injury and death to local residents. Some members of Netayahu's government are no better than Nazis. |
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Post by thejedi on May 28, 2024 18:59:29 GMT
Reports now saying that she’s been given the Labour Whip back.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 28, 2024 19:03:10 GMT
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Post by right on May 28, 2024 19:05:31 GMT
My impression is she would struggle for second place if she stood. She's not got the campaigning appetite Corbyn has and my impression of Hackney North CLP is that she's not really got that much support there. Are we going to see many activists travel in to the constituency to knock on doors for her?
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Post by right on May 28, 2024 19:08:19 GMT
Reports now saying that she’s been given the Labour Whip back. Wasn't there a rumour that there was a possible deal she could leave Parliament with the whip? |
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Post by graham on May 28, 2024 19:08:50 GMT
My impression is she would struggle for second place if she stood. She's not got the campaigning appetite Corbyn has and my impression of Hackney North CLP is that she's not really got that much support there. Are we going to see many activists travel in to the constituency to knock on doors for her? Well after close of nominations on 7th June , we might find that various Campaign Group members will support her in public. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 28, 2024 19:15:11 GMT
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Post by stb12 on May 28, 2024 19:25:55 GMT
My impression is she would struggle for second place if she stood. She's not got the campaigning appetite Corbyn has and my impression of Hackney North CLP is that she's not really got that much support there. Are we going to see many activists travel in to the constituency to knock on doors for her? Well after close of nominations on 7th June , we might find that various Campaign Group members will support her in public. You suggested this about Corbyn before but it’s not credible and would be so underhand it would largely take away any moral high ground argument |
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Post by graham on May 28, 2024 19:33:46 GMT
Well after close of nominations on 7th June , we might find that various Campaign Group members will support her in public. You suggested this about Corbyn before but it’s not credible and would be so underhand it would largely take away any moral high ground argument Why would it be underhand for the likes of John Mcdonell to say in 10 days time that he hoped to see Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn re-elected? Starmer and the NEC are in no position to complain - though it might generate a row and running story which the leadership might wish to avoid. |
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Post by stb12 on May 28, 2024 19:38:51 GMT
You suggested this about Corbyn before but it’s not credible and would be so underhand it would largely take away any moral high ground argument Why would it be underhand for the likes of John Mcdonell to say in 10 days time that he hoped to see Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn re-elected? Starmer and the NEC are in no position to complain - though it might generate a row and running story which the leadership might wish to avoid. It would be underhand to break a pretty clear party rule deliberately after the close of nominations. If it’s that big a point of principle then anyone who wants to do that should really do it now and all stand as independents together As I say I don’t think it’s a credible idea though, even left wing back benchers who want to be awkward to the new Labour government would rather be in the party than out of it |
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