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Post by hengog on Jun 2, 2024 8:43:23 GMT
The whole episode leaves Starmer looking rather a chump. He presumably believed, perhaps was led to believe , that Abbott would accept a compromise where she was reinstated but then agreed to go quietly, thus maintaining his carefully cultivated image as being tough on the hard left while offering something to mollify his critics from that wing. He was then comprehensively stumped when she took the offer of reinstatement and promptly kicked off, forcing him into an embarrassing climb down. Leaving him looking both vindictive and weak- “Willing to wound but afraid to strike”.
In the context of his , or rather his party’s , lead over the Conservatives it’s not really significant, though it may perhaps say something about how he will perform when in government and under pressure. So far, given that he was in effect handed a virtually impregnable position by the implosion of the government , as opposed to any particular enthusiasm for him in the country, all he has had to do to date is demonstrate that he is not Jeremy Corbyn and reassure those voters determined to give the Conservatives a kicking that he can be trusted. And he’s done a good job with that. But the challenges of government are much harder and will come thick and fast.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 2, 2024 8:50:38 GMT
At the moment I'm more likely to believe something if it's printed in The Sun than The Times, how a once mighty paper has fallen.
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Post by andrea on Jun 2, 2024 8:57:13 GMT
At this rate, by Friday, it will be claimed she has been offered to governorship of Virgin Islands if she goes away from the Commons.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 2, 2024 9:12:25 GMT
At this rate, by Friday, it will be claimed she has been offered to governorship of Virgin Islands if she goes away from the Commons. Compromise for us number crunchers: she stands for Labour, wins, and then gets a governorship so we get an early byelection. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 2, 2024 9:18:30 GMT
The plot thickens. Wasn't Starmer thinking about abolishing the House of Lords? Wasn't this widely believed to be a possible part of the "deal" that was almost agreed early this week? So its not even "news", just the Times stirring yet again. Even if Labour have a manifesto promise to abolish the Lords in its present form, that obviously isn't going to happen overnight. And there must be a good chance that Abbott would accept such an "offer" if she decided to quit as an MP, which is one way she differs from Corbyn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 9:27:37 GMT
At this rate, by Friday, it will be claimed she has been offered to governorship of Virgin Islands if she goes away from the Commons. Governor of the Bank of England! |
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Post by hengog on Jun 2, 2024 9:31:48 GMT
The plot thickens. Wasn't Starmer thinking about abolishing the House of Lords? Wasn't this widely believed to be a possible part of the "deal" that was almost agreed early this week? So its not even "news", just the Times stirring yet again. Even if Labour have a manifesto promise to abolish the Lords in its present form, that obviously isn't going to happen overnight. And there must be a good chance Abbott would accept such an "offer" if she decided to quit as an MP, which is one way she differs from Corbyn. Indeed ( apart from the the party line reference to the Times). It’s an even better offer in the context of the possible abolition of the HoL. For if that happens ( and who believes it?), any new appointees could be given a nod and a wink of substantial ‘ redundancy ‘ payments plus a nice fat ( extra) pension. And they will doubtless keep the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 9:35:10 GMT
Why are milquetoast centrists so afraid of a strong, independent black woman?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 2, 2024 9:53:50 GMT
Diane Abbott last made a speech in Parliament in June 2022 (as opposed to a question or an intervention). She has been granted a proxy vote (through her former staffer Bell Ribeiro-Addy) since January this year; before that she participated in divisions on only two days at the start of the session. Her long-term health problems are real, and not all of the people who are urging her to stay and fight for re-election have her best interests at heart.
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Post by hengog on Jun 2, 2024 9:57:43 GMT
At the moment I'm more likely to believe something if it's printed in The Sun than The Times, how a once mighty paper has fallen. Stick to the Mirror where you can study the opinions of Stormy Daniels. That too was once a newspaper. As was the Express. While much diminished The Times remains one where some serious journalism survives and differing opinions can be , and are , expressed. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 2, 2024 10:16:48 GMT
Diane Abbott last made a speech in Parliament in June 2022 (as opposed to a question or an intervention). She has been granted a proxy vote (through her former staffer Bell Ribeiro-Addy) since January this year; before that she participated in divisions on only two days at the start of the session. Her long-term health problems are real, and not all of the people who are urging her to stay and fight for re-election have her best interests at heart. Her decision David, not yours. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 2, 2024 10:24:26 GMT
Diane Abbott last made a speech in Parliament in June 2022 (as opposed to a question or an intervention). She has been granted a proxy vote (through her former staffer Bell Ribeiro-Addy) since January this year; before that she participated in divisions on only two days at the start of the session. Her long-term health problems are real, and not all of the people who are urging her to stay and fight for re-election have her best interests at heart. Her decision David, not yours. If you want to write an inane response in future, could you head it as such so I don't need to bother to read it? Or better still don't waste your time. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 2, 2024 10:27:10 GMT
Her decision David, not yours. If you want to write an inane response in future, could you head it as such so I don't need to bother to read it? Or better still don't waste your time. His decision David, not yours. |
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Post by andrea on Jun 2, 2024 11:02:46 GMT
Baroness Chakrabati, the former attorney general, told the BBC: “I hope she will take some time to consider what she wants to do, and that’s what I’ve suggested to her as a friend.”
Chakrabati said the question of whether Abbott should stand should not be “decided by fans or detractors of my dear friend”.
The Times article about offer to go to the Lords is more general when you read it. It says a number of veteran MPs, including Abbott but not exclusively her, have allegedly received such offer.
Baroness Smith of Basildon said she would like to have Labour Lords in roughly equal number of Tory Lords.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2024 11:15:53 GMT
The whole episode leaves Starmer looking rather a chump. He presumably believed, perhaps was led to believe , that Abbott would accept a compromise where she was reinstated but then agreed to go quietly, thus maintaining his carefully cultivated image as being tough on the hard left while offering something to mollify his critics from that wing. He was then comprehensively stumped when she took the offer of reinstatement and promptly kicked off, forcing him into an embarrassing climb down. Leaving him looking both vindictive and weak- “Willing to wound but afraid to strike”. In the context of his , or rather his party’s , lead over the Conservatives it’s not really significant, though it may perhaps say something about how he will perform when in government and under pressure. So far, given that he was in effect handed a virtually impregnable position by the implosion of the government , as opposed to any particular enthusiasm for him in the country, all he has had to do to date is demonstrate that he is not Jeremy Corbyn and reassure those voters determined to give the Conservatives a kicking that he can be trusted. And he’s done a good job with that. But the challenges of government are much harder and will come thick and fast. The weakness always catches one out. Once they see the weakness they keep pushing like teenagers do. Be firm and never relent. There is no need even to be fair as long as one is consistent. There was more up side and more votes in just blocking the old bag altogether. It annoyed that small minority on the left and nobody else at all in Britain. Now he has made himself look weak, childish, inconsistent and lacking in courage and made her look much better than she is. He is now all square with Rishi on the incompetence and poor politics scoreboard for this election. And he was doing so well with a quite admirable and successful purge. It reminded me of the 19 Boris late purge. But Boris cocked up that purge too and did not go all out for the Remainer jugular : And thus one plank of his later problems. Could be the same for 'Keith'! |
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 11:24:02 GMT
The whole episode leaves Starmer looking rather a chump. He presumably believed, perhaps was led to believe , that Abbott would accept a compromise where she was reinstated but then agreed to go quietly, thus maintaining his carefully cultivated image as being tough on the hard left while offering something to mollify his critics from that wing. He was then comprehensively stumped when she took the offer of reinstatement and promptly kicked off, forcing him into an embarrassing climb down. Leaving him looking both vindictive and weak- “Willing to wound but afraid to strike”. In the context of his , or rather his party’s , lead over the Conservatives it’s not really significant, though it may perhaps say something about how he will perform when in government and under pressure. So far, given that he was in effect handed a virtually impregnable position by the implosion of the government , as opposed to any particular enthusiasm for him in the country, all he has had to do to date is demonstrate that he is not Jeremy Corbyn and reassure those voters determined to give the Conservatives a kicking that he can be trusted. And he’s done a good job with that. But the challenges of government are much harder and will come thick and fast. The weakness always catches one out. Once they see the weakness they keep pushing like teenagers do. Be firm and never relent. There is no need even to be fair as long as one is consistent. There was more up side and more votes in just blocking the old bag altogether. It annoyed that small minority on the left and nobody else at all in of Britain. Now he has made himself look weak, childish, inconsistent and lacking in courage and made her look much better than she is. He is now all square with Rishi on the incompetence and poor politics scoreboard for this election. And he was doing so well with a quite admirable and successful purge. It reminded me of the 19 Boris late purge. But Boris cocked up that purge too and did not go all out for the Remainer jugular : And thus one plank of his later problems. Could be the same for 'Keith'! I don't doubt that what you are suggesting is precisely what the Fuhrer would have done. Human decency counts for nothing for some people. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2024 11:30:55 GMT
The weakness always catches one out. Once they see the weakness they keep pushing like teenagers do. Be firm and never relent. There is no need even to be fair as long as one is consistent. There was more up side and more votes in just blocking the old bag altogether. It annoyed that small minority on the left and nobody else at all in of Britain. Now he has made himself look weak, childish, inconsistent and lacking in courage and made her look much better than she is. He is now all square with Rishi on the incompetence and poor politics scoreboard for this election. And he was doing so well with a quite admirable and successful purge. It reminded me of the 19 Boris late purge. But Boris cocked up that purge too and did not go all out for the Remainer jugular : And thus one plank of his later problems. Could be the same for 'Keith'! I don't doubt that what you are suggesting is precisely what the Fuhrer would have done. Human decency counts for nothing for some people. I have my moments on the human decency front as I did this very weekend on this Forum. You, on the other hand, revert to type at the drop of any hat at all. Where would you be without you instant-reach Nazi comforter? |
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Post by graham on Jun 2, 2024 11:34:23 GMT
I don't doubt that what you are suggesting is precisely what the Fuhrer would have done. Human decency counts for nothing for some people. fuck you with your disgusting and frivolous Nazi comparisons. You’re a fool but you also disgust me. I won’t bother appealing to your reasonable side because you don’t have one. Perhaps you need to consult a mirror more often. |
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Post by right on Jun 2, 2024 11:39:14 GMT
The plot thickens. Wasn't Starmer thinking about abolishing the House of Lords? I’m afraid such offers are common, from both big parties, in these circumstances (i.e. where a person is occupying a safe seat but has no likelihood of being of particular use in government). Of course it takes two to tango - the person receiving the offer must be willing and a peerage doesn’t appeal to all. The other offer that used to be made was of some non-executive role within the gift of either the government (or, in the case of the Tories, the party through business connections). That thankfully seems less common nowadays. I don’t know the number of retiring MPs (as opposed to someone losing their seat) who end up in the Lords but there are plenty. The one thing I will commend Abbott for was her work with Operation Trident, and finding some similar role in a spokesman capacity could do a lot if good. She may talk and even believe a remarkable amount of left wing tosh, but she's aware of the enormous damage gangs are doing to the West Indian community, particularly young men. Leaving parliament for this sort of role would be a net gain for everyone. But life, particularly politics, rarely presents win win opportunities so it's probably not there. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2024 11:54:30 GMT
Diane Abbott last made a speech in Parliament in June 2022 (as opposed to a question or an intervention). She has been granted a proxy vote (through her former staffer Bell Ribeiro-Addy) since January this year; before that she participated in divisions on only two days at the start of the session. Her long-term health problems are real, and not all of the people who are urging her to stay and fight for re-election have her best interests at heart. Her decision David, not yours. But is it 'Her' decision when driven by the fervour of those half her age with no health issues or conception of what that even means! |
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