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Post by right on Jun 3, 2024 15:27:00 GMT
I'm a big supporter of immigration (though not at 500k per year!) but I would have made support for British values *mandatory* from the start I would certainly have introduced a much more robust education of British values into schooling (more like the French attitude) Because that's been such a brilliant success, obviously. Has that not been weakened in the last couple of generations? I was under the impression that this was the case. |
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Post by right on Jun 3, 2024 15:27:43 GMT
Whatever the arcane, academic arguments are the Muslim UK population is expected to reach thirteen millions in 2050. That's approximately one in five UK citizens. Views towards British Muslims and what's important to them must surely be examined, and in a lot of cases revised, in the not too distant future. As the numbers rise and , as seems quite possible if not likely, enough Muslims continue to behave as a ‘block’ , motivated overwhelmingly by what they believe to be in the interest of fellow Muslims, here and abroad, the electoral equivalent of Newton’s third law is likely to apply , with similar ( at least) numbers of non Muslims voting on the basis of who is prepared to stand up to them. This will not be a good thing , but probably better than the alternative and anyway inevitable. Whether a less naive attitude to multiculturalism may have produced a healthier more integrated society , who can say? Yeah Ulsterisation of our politics will be a bad, bad thing |
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Post by hengog on Jun 3, 2024 15:50:08 GMT
How can it be avoided? it used to be the assumption that second and third generations could somehow be both encouraged to celebrate their cultures and traditions while gradually adopting British values, with religion and origin no more a determinant of their views on key matters than it is for the descendants of nineteenth century Irish catholics or the Huguenots. However we now see many of these generations becoming more extreme in their attitudes, openly despising our culture and traditions , let alone values. And while the main parties response is, as it has been now for decades , to ignore it, dismiss any concerns as racist , and cross their fingers behind their backs for the future, we are getting to the point that it just won’t wash. I have family in the North and I hear all the time now people there who are as far from Tommy Robinson as you could imagine, openly saying things which ten years ago they would not: to use one example praising Starmer, for ‘ standing up to the Muslims’, over Gaza . It just feels like the beginning of a turning point.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 3, 2024 22:10:06 GMT
Admittedly limited experience on this, but have been rather surprised at how pro Chinese government HK immigrants I've known are. Less so with SE Asian diaspora. The sample size is small so it's more anecdote than data, but it may be an interesting challenge if we do support the US in a clash with China I am completely opposed to any HK immigration at all as it would be the perfect cover for China to embed a series of spy networks. I would also insist that all Chinese students return at the end of the courses at universities with no illegal stopovers at all. We only have two serious enemies in the world, China and Islam, and we have permitted massive 5th columns to come here and subvert us. I have been banging on about this for 5-decades and only now are some of you seeing what Enoch and I have long feared. Putting this right will take guts and a very authoritarian administration plus the suppression of much of the social nonsense wrought on us since the 60s. Time to swing the pendulum back very hard indeed whilst we still can. Make the entrance interview in Cantonese only. Ask what Uncle Tak's third nephew does for a job. What time is the Mark Six on? How much sugar goes into a Nai Chai? |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 4, 2024 0:07:10 GMT
Wilson lived in Ashley Gardens opposite Westminster Cathedral, and I can well assume some CLWCA Young Conservative type going round in the late 80s or early 90s might well have not known who he was. Unfortunately by this time Wilson didn't entirely know who he was either. Unlikely to be later than the 1987 GE - by 1992 Wilson was gaga - but as a member of the House of Lords he did not have a vote anyway - unless the story relates to a local election! I think i remember reading a similar anecdote about James Callaghan being canvassed and asked if had considered getting involved in politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 11:30:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure the Labour candidate in Westminster Abbey in 1945 canvassed 10 Downing Street.
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Post by norflondon on Jun 4, 2024 13:16:56 GMT
Faiza resigns Labour membership. "Will be making announcement tomorrow", regarding next steps.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 4, 2024 13:43:26 GMT
Faiza resigns Labour membership. "Will be making announcement tomorrow", regarding next steps. [ 'Heavy Heart Syndrome' strikes again! What are the NHS doing to combat this? |
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Post by graham on Jun 4, 2024 14:18:57 GMT
Rather looks as if she will stand as an Independent.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 4, 2024 15:18:54 GMT
I, I, I.
Lovely statement.
Nothing about what she stands for just I, I, I.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 15:32:46 GMT
Faiza resigns Labour membership. "Will be making announcement tomorrow", regarding next steps. [ The Sh(ah)een is really coming off Faiza now, isn't it? |
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Post by jakegb on Jun 4, 2024 18:34:05 GMT
A lot of Is in her statement indeed; I'm surprised she didn't reference 'the community' more.
I anticipate 'the community' will get a say on her on July 4th. Though she'll make plenty of noise and fanfare, I envisage a likely lost deposit - and a repeat of her 2019 (sore loser) performance at the election count, though this time not directed solely at IDS and the Tories.
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Post by redtony on Jun 4, 2024 20:08:13 GMT
what community
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Post by norflondon on Jun 5, 2024 15:08:05 GMT
Shaheen anounces she WILL stand. A win for IDS.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 5, 2024 15:23:31 GMT
Good, hopefully the silly cow gets a derisory vote.
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Post by norflondon on Jun 5, 2024 15:44:31 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000.
I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Also increase number of nominations needed from ten to say 200. In Hungary you need 5,000 nominations!
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Post by johnloony on Jun 5, 2024 15:50:58 GMT
I had never heard of this vacuous whinger until the kerfuffle started a few days ago, and I have no reason to suppose she has any substantial level of personal support beyond any other. I think she'll be lucky to get 300 let alone 3,000.
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Post by akmd on Jun 5, 2024 15:57:24 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. Take a zero off the end of those numbers and I agree. |
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 15:58:01 GMT
10 pages minimum
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Post by norflondon on Jun 5, 2024 15:59:55 GMT
Care for a bet, say £50 that she'll get more than halfway point of what I say and what you say? I.e she gets more than 1,650 votes?
(Winning money to go to charity of winners choosing)
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