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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 5, 2024 16:38:33 GMT
I'm pretty sure the Labour candidate in Westminster Abbey in 1945 canvassed 10 Downing Street. Well Winston Churchill was not on the register in that election. Nor was one of his constituents, Sylvia Pankhurst. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 5, 2024 16:39:01 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Also increase number of nominations needed from ten to say 200. In Hungary you need 5,000 nominations! 500, not 5000. Increasing deposit requirements is not fair or justified (deposits should be abolished altogether; in Ireland for example candidates only have to pay them if they cannot find 30 signatures, pretty easy in the large multi-member constituencies the Dail uses), but increasing the number of electoral signatures from 10 to 100 should. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 5, 2024 16:44:38 GMT
500, not 5000. Increasing deposit requirements is not fair or justified The most obvious justification is 40 years of inflation that have eroded the value since it was last increased. And whether the aims of subscribers and deposits are succeeding. I agree it could cause problems for many local parties if whacked up in one go but I think we have to expect there will eventually be an increase. Given the timeframe it is not easy to get 100 signatures in many constituencies (and I suspect many electoral services would not enjoy having to check 100 at a time). (If the number were to be increased then there needs to be a small change to make it clear one invalid signature invalidates only that subscriber, not the whole set submitted, and a candidate can have both back-ups on other sheets and resubmit with some of the same valid ones. Sometimes a whole set is rejected for a single error with the implication that the other nine can't sign again. The idea of losing up to 99 people for one error is a nightmare.) |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 5, 2024 16:52:58 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Regrettably I very much doubt it. I would increase the deposit to at least £10,000 in order to get rid of as many timewasters as possible, especially those whose insufficient means make them entirely unsuitable to be members of Parliament. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 5, 2024 17:14:55 GMT
(If the number were to be increased then there needs to be a small change to make it clear one invalid signature invalidates only that subscriber, not the whole set submitted, and a candidate can have both back-ups on other sheets and resubmit with some of the same valid ones. Sometimes a whole set is rejected for a single error with the implication that the other nine can't sign again. The idea of losing up to 99 people for one error is a nightmare.) The Croydon North R.O. in 2012 was liberal in interpreting that rule, so that some of the candidates' nomination papers were accepted with multiple additions and crossings out. (The situation was complicated by the fact that three different candidates went along the same street and got multiple nomination signatures from the same people). The R.O. in Bromley & Chiselhurst, on the other hand, was very strict in rejecting any papers where there were any corrections or crossings out at all - to be fair, he warned us in advance that that would be the case. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 5, 2024 17:15:30 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. Take a zero off the end of those numbers and I agree. I would prefer to take a digit off the other end |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 5, 2024 17:32:14 GMT
(If the number were to be increased then there needs to be a small change to make it clear one invalid signature invalidates only that subscriber, not the whole set submitted, and a candidate can have both back-ups on other sheets and resubmit with some of the same valid ones. Sometimes a whole set is rejected for a single error with the implication that the other nine can't sign again. The idea of losing up to 99 people for one error is a nightmare.) The Croydon North R.O. in 2012 was liberal in interpreting that rule, so that some of the candidates' nomination papers were accepted with multiple additions and crossings out. (The situation was complicated by the fact that three different candidates went along the same street and got multiple nomination signatures from the same people). The R.O. in Bromley & Chiselhurst, on the other hand, was very strict in rejecting any papers where there were any corrections or crossings out at all - to be fair, he warned us in advance that that would be the case. And this kind of discretion at the whim of the RO (or the ARO or the DARO) of the day is problematic for anyone who has to deal with more than one across time, especially as often you start from scratch. I've had ROs hold briefing sessions less than 100 hours before nominations open, after a lot of the paperwork (especially nomination signatures) has been filled in and had to make changes to match the latest interpretation. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 5, 2024 18:15:46 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Regrettably I very much doubt it. I would increase the deposit to at least £10,000 in order to get rid of as many timewasters as possible, especially those whose insufficient means make them entirely unsuitable to be members of Parliament. Suitability to be an MP is not dependent on wealth-far from it. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 5, 2024 18:33:47 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. Take a zero off the end of those numbers and I agree. It’s a difficult calculation. She has to assemble a campaign at short notice. Her statement makes no obvious reference to the subject on which she clearly feels strongly enough to have risked suspension. Does that suggest that she’s uncomfortable about that being upfront? I hold out Chris Williamson in 2019 as an example of erroneous expectations. He had been the MP (not just a candidate) for 7 of the previous 9 years. He was pretty high profile locally in Derby (having been council leader previously). Some former Labour members helped him. He got 635 votes. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 5, 2024 18:41:03 GMT
Regrettably I very much doubt it. I would increase the deposit to at least £10,000 in order to get rid of as many timewasters as possible, especially those whose insufficient means make them entirely unsuitable to be members of Parliament. Suitability to be an MP is not dependent on wealth-far from it. Of course it is. Those with insufficient intelligence, talent or sheer blood graft to amass a reasonable degree of wealth have no business sitting in Parliament and voting on matters that affect the lives of others. We need a parliament filled with the best and he brightest, not a bunch of dullards who can barely look after themselves and their family. |
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Post by noorderling on Jun 5, 2024 18:47:09 GMT
Take a zero off the end of those numbers and I agree. It’s a difficult calculation. She has to assemble a campaign at short notice. Her statement makes no obvious reference to the subject on which she clearly feels strongly enough to have risked suspension. Does that suggest that she’s uncomfortable about that being upfront? I hold out Chris Williamson in 2019 as an example of erroneous expectations. He had been the MP (not just a candidate) for 7 of the previous 9 years. He was pretty high profile locally in Derby (having been council leader previously). Some former Labour members helped him. He got 635 votes. Mike Gapes got nearly 4.000 votes, after he had been an MP for 27 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 18:48:51 GMT
Care for a bet, say £50 that she'll get more than halfway point of what I say and what you say? I.e she gets more than 1,650 votes? (Winning money to go to charity of winners choosing) I would imagine she'll get a vote in the thousands rather than hundreds. This seat is 13% Muslim. |
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Post by norflondon on Jun 5, 2024 18:53:07 GMT
No takers!
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 5, 2024 19:14:33 GMT
Care for a bet, say £50 that she'll get more than halfway point of what I say and what you say? I.e she gets more than 1,650 votes? (Winning money to go to charity of winners choosing) I would imagine she'll get a vote in the thousands rather than hundreds. This seat is 13% Muslim. It's still C&WG - granted the demographic of the seat are shifting along with the rest of outer London - and the Muslim vote will not be a monolith, plus we have Workers Party and Green Party candidates running - so I reckon a mid single figure % is most likely. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 5, 2024 19:15:02 GMT
Good, hopefully the silly cow gets a derisory vote. No. I want to see a good respectable vote taken entirely from the Labour and Green votes making the contest both more and less exciting. IDS deserves the chance of a win. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 5, 2024 19:46:46 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Also increase number of nominations needed from ten to say 200. In Hungary you need 5,000 nominations! I think we should abandon the absurdity of nominations altogether. They serve no structural purpose at all and are maintained for the benefit of the big parties to cause difficulties for new parties, small parties, unfunded parties and Independents. Do away with them. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 5, 2024 20:06:14 GMT
I think she'll get 3,000 - 6,000. I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Also increase number of nominations needed from ten to say 200. In Hungary you need 5,000 nominations! 500, not 5000. Increasing deposit requirements is not fair or justified (deposits should be abolished altogether; in Ireland for example candidates only have to pay them if they cannot find 30 signatures, pretty easy in the large multi-member constituencies the Dail uses), but increasing the number of electoral signatures from 10 to 100 should. This is for another thread, really, but just to say I'd keep £500 as the deposit because even today it's just high enough to be a challenge. Nominations is tricky because the Register of Political Parties is something anybody can join, for a fee, unlike in many countries where parties have to jump over many hurdles, administrative and financial, to be 'accepted'. Raising the bar too high could severely restrict ballot access, and whilst some think a ballot paper should only feature those with a chance of winning, I'd rather we didn't pull up the ladder to Independents and other smaller wannabes. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 5, 2024 20:09:06 GMT
I wonder if after all the Independents standing, and even lots of minor party candidates having to pay their own way, our lovely new Labour govt will increase the deposit in elections from £500, to say £2,000. Also increase number of nominations needed from ten to say 200. In Hungary you need 5,000 nominations! To get 5000 signitures nominations would need to be open for a hugely longer time than four days. Proportionally, 2000 days! |
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Post by redtony on Jun 5, 2024 20:25:43 GMT
she must want IDS to hold the seat for the Tories
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