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Post by kevinf on May 29, 2024 22:10:32 GMT
Could the Labour candidate who initially slashed the majority here in 2017 be put on instead? Not unless they’re seriously rightwing |
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 29, 2024 22:10:47 GMT
Shaheen is about to be interviewed on Newsnight. Appalling - Labour are disgusting. A broad church? Nah!!! Every new candidate is right-wing/moderate. You were happy enough when the Change UK MPs left. |
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Post by kevinf on May 29, 2024 22:13:46 GMT
Appalling - Labour are disgusting. A broad church? Nah!!! Every new candidate is right-wing/moderate. You were happy enough when the Change UK MPs left. I don’t think anyone on the left was happy about most of them leaving. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 22:17:41 GMT
Appalling - Labour are disgusting. A broad church? Nah!!! Every new candidate is right-wing/moderate. You were happy enough when the Change UK MPs left. They were their choice - weren't they? |
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Post by edgbaston on May 29, 2024 22:19:44 GMT
Imagine a scenario where she runs as an independent or for the Workers' Party and IDS holds on! The comic outcome |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 29, 2024 23:57:13 GMT
While I of course see him as mistaken on many things I’ve never doubted that he is motivated by a desire to serve and to address problems. There was an early feeling (because I wasn’t even quite 18 when the coalition came to power) of mine concerning feeling disconnect from party political discourse because of how Iain Duncan Smith got talked about While I got that criticism of what he was doing or trying/failing to do with welfare was legitimate the concept floating about that he was this evil psychopath setting out to murder poor and disabled people just seemed so over the top and unrealistic. Even after he’s not even been in government for over eight years you’ll probably still hear people gloating about his electoral defeat on that basis I think the period when he was trying to reform welfare was the most impressive part of his career. Agree or disagree, he had studied the problem and was trying to come up with innovative solutions that showed an understanding of what was wrong with the existing system. To suggest that he had an animosity to the poor is quite at odds with his thinking, if you troubled to listen to him. I was much less impressed with his first period of relative fame, when he seemed to devote himself to making. John Major's life impossible. Taking a similarly neutral approach to whether or not his views were right, he played a role in undermining his own party leader that helped put the Conservatives out of government for 18 years. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 30, 2024 4:56:48 GMT
I saw the Labour candidate here on Newsnight and her behaviour immediately turned me against her. Maybe it's because I'm a homosexual, but female waterworks have never worked on me and I can see right through her. The strained voice, the upset tone, despite the fact that her eyes were drier than the Sahara, and the bleating about "my baby" etc. It's all fake. I have some sympathy with her points about the unfair criticism that some opponents of Israeli policy get, but I have no sympathy for her.
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Post by norflondon on May 30, 2024 6:01:01 GMT
It's the latest act of meanness, double standards and vindictiveness by the new Labour high command. A working class girl who went to Oxford, she has worked extremely hard in this seat since 2017 - where she was born.
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Post by graham on May 30, 2024 10:22:55 GMT
I do hope she stands as an Independent even if it enables IDS to hang on.
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Post by norflondon on May 30, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
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Post by rcronald on May 30, 2024 11:12:51 GMT
If Starmer wanted to deselect her, he should have done so months ago as her views were already well known.
Labour is supposed to be a big tent party, and it is unhealthy for the party that every time a new leader comes around, the other one becomes an endangered specie.
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Post by mboy on May 30, 2024 11:48:54 GMT
I saw the Labour candidate here on Newsnight and her behaviour immediately turned me against her. Maybe it's because I'm a homosexual, but female waterworks have never worked on me and I can see right through her. The strained voice, the upset tone, despite the fact that her eyes were drier than the Sahara, and the bleating about "my baby" etc. It's all fake. I have some sympathy with her points about the unfair criticism that some opponents of Israeli policy get, but I have no sympathy for her. A reminder of what she's actually like: She's just another cookie-cutter Social Justice "academic". She and her baby will be fine - she'll get a job with Novara Media and will be able to rant about "Zionists" to her heart's content... |
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Post by jakegb on May 30, 2024 12:01:21 GMT
I have re-watched last night's interview. No sympathy whatsoever for her. I was particularly disgusted by the way she used her baby as an excuse for some of her actions. She should have been given her cards a long time ago.
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2024 12:12:17 GMT
I don't think Smith, for all his faults, is motivated by the payout for standing again rather than retiring. And considering his previous career he hardly needs to prove his bravery either but his course of action in re-offering is at least honourable when compared with many of his colleagues. When he was LOTO the thought of the Tories losing this was unfathomable so the change in voting behaviour here really is largely down to demographics. There is nothing 'honourable' about standing in a seat where you are near certain to lose just satisfy the gloating lefty classes. Nor is it at all dishonourable to use commonsense and note reality by making arrangements at least two years ago for a change of career and a retirement from a seat one is certain to lose. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 12:28:43 GMT
I have re-watched last night's interview. No sympathy whatsoever for her. I was particularly disgusted by the way she used her baby as an excuse for some of her actions. She should have been given her cards a long time ago. Given you are right wing, are planning to vote 'Labour'? |
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Post by johnloony on May 30, 2024 12:29:16 GMT
I don't think Smith, for all his faults, is motivated by the payout for standing again rather than retiring. And considering his previous career he hardly needs to prove his bravery either but his course of action in re-offering is at least honourable when compared with many of his colleagues. When he was LOTO the thought of the Tories losing this was unfathomable so the change in voting behaviour here really is largely down to demographics. There is nothing 'honourable' about standing in a seat where you are near certain to lose just satisfy the gloating lefty classes like you. Nor is it at all dishonourable to use commonsense and note reality by making arrangements at least two years ago for a change of career and a retirement from a seat one is certain to lose. Grow up! IDS is not standing again to give enjoyment to lefties watching him lose. He is standing again in order to serve another term as MP. He might lose. The alternative would be to adopt a young whippersnapper inexperienced candidate, who migh lose. The difference is that if IDS is the candidate then the voters are able to vote for someone with experience. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2024 12:33:48 GMT
There is nothing 'honourable' about standing in a seat where you are near certain to lose just satisfy the gloating lefty classes like you. Nor is it at all dishonourable to use commonsense and note reality by making arrangements at least two years ago for a change of career and a retirement from a seat one is certain to lose. Grow up! IDS is not standing again to give enjoyment to lefties watching him lose. He is standing again in order to serve another term as MP. He might lose. The alternative would be to adopt a young whippersnapper inexperienced candidate, who migh lose. The difference is that if IDS is the candidate then the voters are able to vote for someone with experience. Yes. We all know that John. I was making a different point. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2024 12:38:05 GMT
The Times reporting that Shaheen will be suspended. Good - she is seriously unpleasant. This gets better and better. Both parties with a complete death wish. I am starting to enjoy this GE after all. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 12:53:40 GMT
This gets better and better. Both parties with a complete death wish. I am starting to enjoy this GE after all. Goodness knows when the Labour and Tories will be even unpopular, say the next year? |
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Post by jakegb on May 30, 2024 12:57:25 GMT
I have re-watched last night's interview. No sympathy whatsoever for her. I was particularly disgusted by the way she used her baby as an excuse for some of her actions. She should have been given her cards a long time ago. Given you are right wing, are planning to vote 'Labour'? More centrist than right wing. I am pleased that Lab has moved more towards the centre, though I accept that recent candidate candidate selections/suspensions have been a real mess. I have voted for a wide range of parties in the past. I couldn't contemplate voting for Lab in 17 and 19. Yet to fully make up my mind in 24 ... we'll see how the election campaign progresses. |
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